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mikechell
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Message 140 of 1639 (760025)
06-16-2015 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Jon
06-16-2015 8:24 PM


Re: The Donald is in!
We may finally get that much needed wall between Texas and Mexico after all...
That would be only one of the benefits.
I am not far right ... I am definitely not left ... I do think that Washington needs to be shaken up and dusted off.
Trump is offensive. He's arrogant and conceited.
He's definitely not "politically correct" which I like.
He's made a huge load of money by being a shrewd and ruthless business man.
I don't like him (except his lack of political correctness).
But a business man in the White House wouldn't be a bad thing. D.C. needs to quit spending more than it takes in.
Edited by mikechell, : No reason given.

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mikechell
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Message 151 of 1639 (760076)
06-17-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by RAZD
06-17-2015 10:56 AM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
The purpose of government is to serve the people, to provide the most benefit to the most people
But you can't "Serve" more than you can afford.
Sorry this is so long ... but it needs to be said. We can't TAX enough to "serve" all the slackers who won't work for a living.
Using data from the Internal Revenue Service in 2009,
The top 1% of earners, incomes of $343,927 or greater, represented 16.9% of all income and paid 36.7% of all federal taxes. Their average tax rate was 24.01%.
The top 0.1% who had incomes of $1,432,890 or greater represented 7.8% of all income and paid 17.11% of all taxes. Their average rate was 24.3%.
If we assume that a secretary’s adjusted gross income falls between $32,396 and $66,193 in 2009, the average tax rate for that income group (which represents individuals in the top 25%-50% of all earners) was 5.56%. (The entire group of earners between the top 25%-top 50% earned 20.7% of all income and paid 11.0% of all Federal income taxes.)
If we take a closer look at the top 0.1% of earners, their average adjusted gross income in 2009 was $4.4 million and their average tax bill was $1.07 million. Included in this group were 137,982 tax returns.
Their total tax bill was $147.6 billion.
So what do the facts tell us?
First, the average tax payor in the top 0.1% of all earners (the group which includes the vast majority of millionaires and billionaires) pays a tax rate over four (4) times that of an average secretary.
Second, the average tax payer in the top 0.1% of all earners pays as much in taxes as 444 secretaries (the income of these top 0.1% earners is about 102 times the income of the average secretary).
Third, if one raised the tax rate paid by these 137,982 tax payers to 30% (as is being proposed in the so-called Buffet rule), it would take over 43 years of collecting this additional tax revenue to just equal the Federal budget deficit for one year, 2011. (We have a huge spending problem.)

evidence over faith ... observation over theory

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mikechell
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Message 153 of 1639 (760109)
06-17-2015 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Diomedes
06-17-2015 1:43 PM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
RAZD wrote: The purpose of government is to serve the people, to provide the most benefit to the most people
The purpose of government is to provide an environment that allows the people to prosper, to live comfortably, to seek and find happiness. It is NOT to provide
... the most benefit to the most people ...
I agree that government isn't supposed to be "profitable" ... but it's not supposed to be bankrupt either.
Diomedes wrote: ... why is it that the individuals who are running and are trying to tout their 'business experience' as a positive always seem to have horrible business backgrounds?
I agree that the current crop of candidates aren't "the good guys." But anything will be better than the last 7 years. What I said was that something needs to change in D.C. Putting someone in there who is NOT a politician might be just the thing to get things working again. And we DO need to rein in the flood of spending that is putting us deeper and deeper into debt to OTHER COUNTRIES. No amount of Tax payers, rich or middle income, can bail us out of the hole we're in unless we quit spending ... period.

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mikechell
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Message 160 of 1639 (760209)
06-18-2015 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by RAZD
06-17-2015 11:41 PM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
It was asked, where I got the numbers I did ... they were directly from the Internal Revenue Service.
Do you mean the last 7 years where Obama spent a fraction of what Schrubbia spent? The 7 years where Obama brought the deficit down from the record height created by Scrubbia? In spite of dogged obstructionism at every step by the republicans? Those 7 years?
You're turn ... where do you get these numbers? According to the U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
We are now at 2+ times the debt we had at the beginning of NObama's dictatorship.
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mikechell
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Message 162 of 1639 (760220)
06-18-2015 6:00 PM


accusations and reality
The Democrats see and believe the statistics they want to.
The Republicans see and believe the statistics they want to.
But there are certain situations that can't be ignored.
1) The U.S.A. cannot continue to support illegal immigrants. Yeah, you can argue that we're ALL immigrants, but that doesn't change the fact that illegal immigrants are putting strains on all the programs designed to help impoverished Americans. They are here, and have not put ANY tax money into the system, but bleeding hearts want to let them suckle from that system.
2)
To balance the budget, you can either cut expenditures or raise revenues.
Raising "revenues" is a great idea for a business, but the government doesn't sell anything ... it only has tax income. You can only tax the working to pay for the non-working until the non-working outnumbers the working ... then the system falls apart. At the present time, the non-working in closing in on outnumbering the working.
3) Business model or not ... the government cannot spend more than it takes in, and there are not enough "rich" to make up for the spending this government does. You could steal ALL the money the "rich" possess, and it still would not cover all the outflow ... we MUST stop spending so much.
4) This world is way too volatile to cut military spending. We are already too weak. If you believe we can reduce our military, that no other Country would invade us, you are not paying attention to what's going on worldwide.

evidence over faith ... observation over theory

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mikechell
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Message 165 of 1639 (760239)
06-18-2015 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by jar
06-18-2015 7:00 PM


Re: accusations and reality
They pay sales tax, gas tax, payroll and social security and unemployment taxes, income taxes ...
Bull____ ...Payroll, SS, Unemployment and income all are paid to those who have a social security number ... which "undocumented workers" don't have. They get paid "under the table" and then use WIC to buy food, because bleeding hearts have made it possible for them to get WIC without a SS number.
They pay sales taxes when they buy something they can't get with WIC, but those don't go towards any of the payroll taxes.
Again, like I said, You'll believe what you want. It's a pointless argument, because bleeding hearts believe the government is supposed to suckle the masses. The fact that that is not so, will not change your minds.

evidence over faith ... observation over theory

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mikechell
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Message 169 of 1639 (760287)
06-19-2015 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by jar
06-19-2015 8:52 AM


Re: accusations and reality
Before you start throwing around nonsense labels like "Bleeding Heart Liberal"
I never said "bleeding heart liberal". I just said "bleeding heart". Too many politically correct pussies in both parties.
Healthy people taking government handouts are lazy thieves.
Undocumented workers ... and those who employ them ... are thieves.
Bleeding heart causes that send money to "help" overseas Countries, when our own has so many problems ... are thieves.
House and Senate politicians who tack on boondoggle riders to legitimate bills ... are thieves.
I will agree, the government spends too much money on too many pointless, useless or just plain wasteful programs. We will never agree on which ones are needed, but we agree that there's too much spending.
After 7 years with the worst president in history ... you can't keep blaming previous administrations.

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