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Message 243 of 892 (793600)
11-02-2016 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by NoNukes
11-02-2016 1:57 PM


Re: because ... hacking
NoNukes asks:
Open question. Is the issuance of voter ID something Congress can do?
Yeah. Already done. It's called your Social Security card.

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xongsmith
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Message 246 of 892 (793605)
11-02-2016 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by xongsmith
11-02-2016 1:47 PM


Re: gerrymandering again
Using my new At Large System (see Message 111) for Massachusetts:
%    Representatives
Total votes, 2014:    2186827  100.00%       9.00       9
Democrat              1667595   76.25%       6.86       7
Republican*            519331   23.75%       2.14       2
THEREFORE:
Highest 7 Dem finishers are in
Highest 2 Rep finishers are in
Currently the Dems have ALL 9 seats, hence GUILTY of gerrymandering!
===================================================================
* I could not find Independent and Libertarian and Green votes, so I lumped them all in Republican votes.
from a District spreadsheet i made
1 0.723 227075 0.277 0.8615 195625.1125 31449.8875
2 0.706 235813 0.294 0.853 201148.489 34664.511
3 0.249 230825 0.751 0.6245 144150.2125 86674.7875
4 0.706 255297 0.294 0.853 217768.341 37528.659
5 0.698 256486 0.302 0.849 217756.614 38729.386
6 0.135 278919 0.865 0.5675 158286.5325 120632.4675
7 0.794 176077 0.206 0.897 157941.069 18135.931
8 0.756 261781 0.244 0.878 229843.718 31937.282
9 0.096 264554 0.904 0.548 144975.592 119578.408
2186827 1667495.6805 519331.3195
0.7625183339 0.2374816661
242980.777777778 6.8626650048 2.1373349952
Edited by xongsmith, : more additions

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Message 247 of 892 (793607)
11-02-2016 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by AZPaul3
11-02-2016 2:40 PM


Re: gerrymandering again
Azpaul writes:
Have a gander at Ohio's 9th District.
Check my Message 111!

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xongsmith
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Message 248 of 892 (793608)
11-02-2016 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by NoNukes
11-02-2016 2:26 PM


Re: because ... hacking
NoNukes writes:
So you believe that the Federal Government can require states to accept a Social Security card as voter ID? Even for local elections? I don't believe the feds can do that.
No, I don't believe the states will let that happen. I can see George Wallace on the steps right now.
"What we got here is the Napoleonic Code! What the wife gets, the husband gets!"

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Message 252 of 892 (793687)
11-03-2016 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by nwr
11-03-2016 11:58 AM


Re: because ... hacking
nwr asks, hypothetically:
Isn't this sort of vote buying what we are trying to avoid?
Well, sure - dishonesty will be able find a way into everything. Why is this expected to be a worse problem than what's going on now?
Edited by xongsmith, : dash

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Message 452 of 892 (794528)
11-16-2016 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by Percy
11-16-2016 4:20 PM


Re: History repeats ... because the lesson was not learned.
Regarding voter fraud/suppression it looks like fraud happened in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida and Wisconsin where the exit polling and reported counting differed by too large an amount. In every one of these cases Clinton should have won and thus garnered 305 EC votes. Perhaps Trump was right - it was rigged, but for himself:
2016 Presidential Election Table – TDMS|RESEARCH

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Message 510 of 892 (794923)
12-01-2016 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by Coyote
12-01-2016 10:20 AM


Re: Election Fraud 2016 -- Michigan
Coyote asks:
Could that be that democrats are more experienced at it? lol
Actually they are too stupid to do this at the scale the GOP is doing it. LOL

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Message 753 of 892 (795503)
12-14-2016 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 752 by Modulous
12-13-2016 6:24 PM


Re: My two cents
Mod argues:
The bill would not have passed with the public option, it wouldn't have even gone to a vote due to the filibuster.
I think this was that brief period, with Al Franken finally allowed to take his seat and Ted Kennedy still alive, that the Dems had a filibuster-proof congress.
Sadly, Ted did die soon and the stooge that replaced him had no seniority. Then Massachusetts rejected Martha Coakley for the truck driver and the Republicans now could filibuster anything.
Obama was naive and thought the Repugnants might meet him half way. But the wheeling and dealing continued and the insurance company money kept pouring in. They were lucky to get anything at all from the assholes in the GOP.

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xongsmith
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Message 759 of 892 (796151)
12-23-2016 12:31 PM


What if?
What if every state did their Electoral College the way that Maine & Nebraska do?
Or even going so far as to awarding fractional electors by proportional share to avoid round-off errors for the tiny states?
I made a spreadsheet from 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia and uploaded it to http://xongsmith.webs.com/vote2016.html.
The bottom line came out
total        Clinton       Trump     Johnson     Stein    McMullin    others
538 	    256.5525     250.0876    18.1131    5.8222     3.1995     4.2325
What does this mean? Since no one got more than 269.0, it would have been thrown to the House of Representatives, who probably would have picked Trump anyway.
Oh well.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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