Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

The delusion is yours. I read this a year before 9/11 in the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett, which QUOTES many Muslim leaders in the Arab world saying quite clearly that their strategy is to populate other countries to the point that they have enough population to take the country for Allah. But of course you like most people here don't want to know the truth. Since that book was written there has been a steady movement in that very direction. I've mentioned this book before. I'm sure it's not the only source of this information. Probably Jihad Watch is one good internet source.If you want to know, which I suspect you don't, because you like the delusion that Islam is just a benign peaceful religion, which already takes an amazing level of delusion considering the information that is readily available all over the internet, including of course their occasional indulgence in murder in honor of Allah.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There is written law on Trump's side. I don't know the legal status of Obama's actions you are talking about.

The court is wrong, but that will be shown in any case, so whatever is right in response to the stay I'm for it. I'd think the court would know the order is legal but I guess I'm nave to expect such sanity.

Pretty weird goings on here. All Trump did was what Obama had already done some years ago, but nobody protested Obama's action. If I got this right Obama is a sleazy hypocrite for now condemning Trump's doing what he himself did.Also, there are laws that prescribe the action. I heard a couple such laws read on the air at Infowars, by different callers to the program, giving all the pertinent reference information, on one of those audio sessions I couldn't take notes on fast enough. Perhaps I can find an article that details it all. I'll see.Or just let the weirdness play out. Eventually the truth will out.

Here's the law I heard about at Infowars, quoted at Frontpagemag.com. Frontpage also reports that Trump has no intention of defying the court order, although... And for anyone who missed it, I refer you again to Townhall's discussion in Message 1.And Infowars has some brief audio reports on the subject:

• Why are people protesting Trump's travel ban but didn't protest Obama's policies against those same countries?
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• Poll: 57% of Americans support Trump's travel ban.
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• Some customs agents are ignoring the judge's stay on Trump's travel ban

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I don't recall him needing any defense since nobody was protesting when he issued such orders.

Wow, such clever propaganda. Designed to seduce the wacko gullible liberal mind. They do it so well.

• Lie about the effect of Trump's ban. It's certainly not a sense of victory, because in reality it's a resounding defeat that they are dissembling for the sake of deceiving leftist kooks.
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• Lie about what motivates Islamist terrorists. It's purely ideological, they are not motivated by circumstances, except as they are taught to pretend to be to deceive leftist kooks. When the infidel is strong and aggressively opposes them they retreat rather than seeking to do the harm that Islam requires of them. That happens when their opponents are weak and seek to placate them, which is why violence is growing in Europe. Poor silly PC-crippled Europeans who tolerate all their raping and other violence and invite them to express their evil Sharia Law and weep big tears as if it's their own fault when these ideologically driven people do what their ideology drives them to do. Sheesh, liberals are nuts. Suicidally ridiculously nuts.
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• Lie about the sane rational objective understanding of the supporters of the ban. a) Call us fearful. We're not, you are with your cowardly policy of appeasement of people you actually acknowledge to be dangerous by that policy. That is, YOU are scared of a Muslimj sittin gon the fence who might become violent if anyone dares to oppose their will. So you tippytoe around them, so as not to wake up the violence you tacitly acknowledge is characteristic of them. b) Call us racists. We're not. You may be though, since liberals tend to view everything as a matter of race, and manage to completely ignore the true reasons for 1) Trump's action and our attitude, which is based on an objective recognition of what in reality motivates Islamists since we aren't sentimental weepy-faced fools like liberals who persist in your silly culturebound fantasy about everything to do with this problem; 2) your own fearful placating strategy which is based on your culturebound projection/fantasy of their motives; 3) Islamist behavior itself, which is ideologically driven and not a consequence of your silly liberal fantasy of psychobabble explanations. Keep it up, have it your way, suppress the truth: They'll laugh as they watch liberal heads roll. Literally.
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• Lie about the possibility of winning hearts and minds. Well, that's a delusion more than it is an intentional lie, you poor poor silly sentimental handwringing liberals. Islam is ideologically driven. Their hearts and minds belong to Islam. They would only pretend to go along with liberal making-nice in the effort to win their hearts and minds. YOUR hyearts and minds will be won to Islam long before theirs get past their practiced deception of the poor liberal who is trapped in his false worldview. You'll be under Sharia Law long before you've had any effect on them.
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• Um, Islam is THE most "discriminatory" ideology on the planet. They mistreat women, maiming them, and killing them if they "dishonor" their family; they mistreat anybody of a different religion, taxing them for the right to live in a Muslim country, shoving them off the sidewalk if they block the path of a Muislim; if they allow a nonMuslim even to BE in their country; or killing them because Allah wants them dead; and they refuse to assimilate to any nonMuslim country they live in. But the poor pathetic liberal aches to save them from the discrimination that might protect a nonMuslim from Allah's death squads.

It's the liberal mindset that promotes Islamic violence. And the more you keep it up the worse the violence will get while you get more and more placating and deluded that something other than Islamist ideology is the cause. By the time you wake up the death toll will be enormous and there won't be any more America or Europe. Or you won't wake up. You'll just be dead, or become Muslim, which is what they want anyway.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm too tired to care what pernicious lies you are heaping on me in this weird post of yours. Maybe later.

I find THIS strange, VERY strange. I don't know what legal protections apply to Green Card holders -- certainly they must have some legal protection under US law, and of course under international law at least. But "real Constitutional rights" belong ONLY to the citizens of the United States. What a bizarre idea that they are to be extended to foreigners. This kind of thinking is promoted by globalists and is designed to destroy national sovereignty, and threatens the well being of the legitimate citizens of a nation..

Yes, Muslims kill as many or more Muslims than others, but it is all from the same mental set based on the religion of Islam.And No, I do not treat all Muslims as members of ISIS, it is ISLAM, not MUSLIMS, I'm talking about. Most Muslims don't live their religion to the point that the radicals do. But the problem is that the religion itself demands violence from them if they ever do become more devoted to it. They are human beings like all the rest of us, but the ideology they follow is dangerous. Trying to make this into a matter of individuals as it would be under most other circumstances, is in this case inherently risky. Islam doesn't acknowledge any law other than its own. It regards all the laws of other nations as enemies of Allah. Sharia Law is the only law they respect. Muslims are pawns of their own religion, and pawns of their Muslim leadership, and always subjected to threats from these sources. If they become Christians they are immediately targeted for murder. And this goes on all over the world all the time.You are imposing a western mindset on this situation. They don't accept your western mindset. They can't, their religion calls it satanic. They will of course play along as if they agree with you but they don't; they can't. If they do become truly westernized they become targets for murder. If for only that reason they can't be truly honest. You have no way to vet such people beyond the most superficial facts because their ideology has them in mental chains, and that makes them a danger to the rest of us.Unfortunately you share the very dangerous opinion that actually promotes Islamist violence. In reality Islam itself is not moderate. It can be shown that the Bible is violated by the very very few who commit the kinds of crimes you have in mind, but the reasons for this violence are completely different from Muslim reasons. Unfortunately the official books of Islam are fulfilled and not violated by Muslim violence. It is the religion itself that promotes their violence. THIS IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS, not about MUSLIMS themselves, it's about ISLAM, the RELIGION OF ISLAM. THIS IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE JIHADIST VIOLENCE, the WRITTEN ORDERS TO KILL "INFIDELS" along with the example of Mohammed himself who spread his new religion by murdering those who refused to accept it, whole villages. "Moderates"' are simply Muslims who for whatever reason don't practice Islam at its full tilt. But because the violence and murder in the service of making the world totally obedient to Allah, are all advocated in its sacred books, ANY MUSLIM can be radicalized simply by becoming a more serious follower of his own religion. THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION ON THE EARTH.Sorry I'm repeating myself but you are seriously misled. You prefer the internet I suppose? Well, as I said, Jihad Watch is pretty thorough on the subject. But this book I'm talking about was written by someone who knows the subject well and has 47 pages of bibliographical notes. I'm going through it trying to pick out the best quotes from Muslims to demonstrate what I'm saying. FROM MUSLIMS, not just the author. Well, that is basically what Trump wants to do, and that will go some distance toward protecting us. But unfortunately for the reasons I give above it can never be completely trustworthy. Because the whole religion IS to be blamed. It's the religion that is the threat, and only people who believably reject either all or the violent parts of that religion could ever be completely trustworthy. Since they are very likely to dissemble in order to appear to be no threat, how are you ever going to know for sure?As for the Mosque incident:
It is possible of course that a Trump supporter could attack a mosque, but the timing is very strange in that case, right when Trump's own policies are clearly working to protect us from Muslim violence. It is really very likely that this is a "false flag" event designed by Leftist and Muslims sources to point the finger at Trump and his supporters. This reportedly very quiet and timid student was very likely set up for this purpose. Trump supporters have no reason for such violence, but our enemies get plenty of mileage out of any excuse to blame us for such things. My guess is that this whole list is a pack of lies designed to imply that if such incidents occurred at all they were by Trump supporters, WHEN IN FACT ALL THE KNOWN DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN BY ANTI-TRUMP SUPPORTERS AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS. The latest was an attack on a Trump supporter in Portland. It's on video. Since right after the election there have been incidents of Trump supporters being attacked, beaten up, verbally abused. The first one I recall seeing, right after the election, was by four or five black guys who dragged a white guy out of his car and beat him, thinking he was a Trump supporter, which as I recall it turned out he wasn't. But they thought he was, though his being white was probably enough anyway. Even Ivanka Trump was subjected to verbal abuse on an airplane, and a woman was recently escorted off a plane for verbally assaulting the man next to her after finding out he had been at the inauguration to celebrate Trump, whereas she had been there for the women's march. And I almost forgot that incident a couple weeks ago of the four blacks who tied up the mentally handicapped young white man and tortured him, forcing him to say things against Trump and against white people.There have also been reports of people masquerading as KKK to insinuate that Trump supports the KKK which he doesn't. Even black people have donned the white garb for that purpose. They have to keep their dark skin from showing. Under the robe and hood they can deceive even you.Don't believe everything you read, RAZD.I am not worried about being killed by a Muslim terrorist, RAZD. That is not the real problem. The problem is that once inside the country they work to change our laws and customs and the cujlture itself to accommodate Islam, and over time to grow their population to the point that they can rule the nation as they want. When their population gets large enough, and it is growing a lot faster than European populations, then you'll see the violence escalate.Don't believe everything you read, RAZD. May I recommend that you occasionally spend some time at conservative or libertarian or anti-globalist anti-Leftist sources trying to understand the truth as we see it, instead of dismissing it all by the Leftist propaganda formula as "alt right?"Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

May God forgive you.

They should have confirmed Sessions by now so that he wouldn't be subject to an Obama appointee's political bias. In fact isn't that likely the reason they are dragging their feet on confirming his appointees, to subject him to his enemies as long as they can get away with it?

There are plenty of Republicans against Trump.You think Obama didn't act like an autocrat? What world are you living in?

[qs] Sessions is a racist bigot that was deemed to be unfit to be a federal judge because of his views. [qs] That's a big fat evil lie.

THE EVIDENCE is that it is lies intended to smear Trump and his supporters when the ACTUAL INCIDENTS OF HATE CRIMES ARE KNOWN to be ALL in the other direction. You are doing exactly the same thing to me with your insinuation that I just have some need to see it as I do when the facts bear me out and you refuse to recognize the implications of that. There is NOT ONE known incident of Trump supporters attacking their opponents, not one, ALL the known incidents are the opposite. But absurdly you go on to emphasize that nhevertheless "hate crime attacks are up" since the election, which implies that it's somehow Trump's fault when the exact reverse is true.Since it's been Trump haters attacking Trump supporters EXCLUSIVELY, that adds weight to the likelihood that the attack on the mosque was a false flag. Trump supporters have no reason to attack anybody since he won. There has been an amazing sense of relief among us because of his win, not any kind of desire to attack anybody. The hate is ALL from the Left, ALL OF IT.I've had enough of people here equating Islam with Christianity. It's the same sort of thing. Islam is the violent religion, Christianity is the exact opposite, but there is this need to deny the reality just as in the incidents mentioned above. Nothing I say matters. The truth is on my side on all these things but none of it matters, I'm the one who gets made into the villain every time, so why waste my breath.