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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Anyway, now maybe you can explain why: - You (presumably) think it's okay for American revolutionaries in 1775 and beyond to use violence against the state, but Black Panthers in the 60s are branded as "thugs" for resisting state-sanctioned violence with violence. Wow, you ARE a Leftie and a half. There was of course no state sanctioned violence. And the American Revolutionaries did no violence whatever in "resisting" the tyranny of Britain, unless you call throwing a lot of tea into the ocean violence. You can't justify Black Panther thuggery, it's criminal, period. However, you are describing a condition of war. If they are at war with the US, then the US can send troops against them. War isn't "okay," you have to fight it and you might lose. Britain came over to fight us, remember? We luckily won. If the Black Panthers want to declare war and go the same route I think they need a better cause than the one they have, but that's their problem, not mine. Let them declare war and take their chances.
You think it's okay for Trump to launch his entire campaign by painting undocumented immigrants as rapists and criminals, which flies in the face of reality. What a screaming lie. That is not what he did and you know it.
- You think that national security is better preserved by banning or instituting "extreme vetting" of Muslim refugees instead of putting in place extreme vetting for all males, regardless of religious identity or national origin. Lies and lunacy both. The problem isn't people, as I've said many times, it's the IDEOLOGY. Islam is the threat to national security. We could welcome in thousands of Arabs if they weren't Muslims, if they were Christians or even atheists, and especially if they are well educated. They would be an asset to the nation, men or women. Like a typical leftie to you everything is about people, like about race, and you project it on everybody else and you can't think about ideas or merit which is what it is really all about. But perhaps you're just very young and recently indoctrinated in the universities.
The "national security" argument for barring or limiting Muslim refugees is egregious nonsense because the predominant predictor of violence is the gender of an individual, and not religion or national origin. You are some kind of joke. I'm just sorry American universities have turned out such ignorant people. ABE: What I think is desperately needed in this country is a counter-university system that actually teaches people how to think instead of indoctrinating them in ridiculous political stupidities. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no problem, as far as I know, if someone can pass for the sex that belongs in the bathroom of choice. Duh. that is not the problem I'm talking about.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, there are real problems that need addressing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If a person can't get away with using the bathroom of choice and freaks out little kids or other human beings, there is a problem.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
...it's that the Left has all the emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination. You're making this up. The Right has plenty of emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination. Why oh why can't leftists think? This is a category error. I'm talking about Political Correctness which is an arsenal of weapons used in the war against everybody who disagrees with them. Not the occasional epithet somebody on the right slings at a leftist in the heat of argument. There is no organized weaponry of character assassination on the right, but it is organized, systematic, virulent and practiced on the Left. You say you listened to Horowitz. I guess you managed to learn nothing.
The Right is geared to discussion... More stuff you're making up. Faith, It's a way of saying what Horowitz said about Bambi. Godzilla uses words to kill, Bambi answers with analysis of problems.
you need to back up your claims with real evidence which establishes a standard for what constitutes "discussion," and then goes on to demonstrate that right-wing America is more geared to discussion than the left. No, I don't. You need to learn to think.
I'm sure there are some racists on the Right, but the vast majority are not and the term in any case is nothing but Political Correctness which is a method of destruction fueled by emotional moral indignation. Racism is an empirical reality, so marginalizing the term to "nothing but Political Correctness" is in itself a defense of the current social and institutional structures which uphold racism. Racism is a weapon the left uses against political opponents. You use it that way too. You aren't interested in thinking through problems, you just want to destroy the Right. Real racism exists but it's nothing like the problem you are making it out to be. The Civil Rights Movement DID succeed. If it weren't for the Left continually stirring the pot we could almost consider ourselves the colorblind nation MLK envisioned. There ARE no social structures that uphold racism, there are still some problem situations that need to be addressed in a clearheaded way, which your way is not.
I think they have legitimate causes but I also think they he chosen the wrong way to seek redress for those causes. The movement itself is unfortunately racist, at least on the part of some of the leaders and participants, so your argument that "All Lives Matter" is racist is bogus. The Black Lives Matter movement is not racist. It is anti-racist. This discussion belongs on the other thread. Start with this post .
Your critique of their methods only shows the extent of your white privilege, wherein you believe you hold the answers to what the appropriate approach to fighting oppression is. Blacks are getting killed by cops, Mostly due to their own refusal to comply when caught in a crime. Sometimes unjustly too. Please take this to the other thread.
by a racist legal system which incarcerates blacks and destroys their communities; this is state-sanctioned violence with very real and very lethal effects. This is mostly Marxist ideology/false analysis, though Modulous on the other thread has shown some reality to it.
Your obsession with MLK Jr.'s methods vs. those of, e.g., Malcolm X shows your obsession with keeping the racist status quo in place so that white, right-wing America doesn't have their lives disrupted by BLM protesters (the cultural sanitization of MLK Jr.'s approach notwithstanding). More Marxist talking points. No, it shows that I have respect for the laws that hold a nation together instead of allowing people to destroy it. MLK's methods worked.
...but I do know that the Black Panthers were a band of murdering thugs and your sister's MIL is right about that. Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs. That's a vicious evil lie. Vile pernicious ignorance of history. How dare you.
Look, the Black Panthers were fighting (racist) state violence with violence. Where are you getting your bogus evil history? The Black Panthers were self-serving thugs.
It seems that that's acceptable for white America to do (Revolutionary War, the Alamo, etc.), but not for blacks. And that ideological hypocrisy is a manifestation of your racism. The universities are more evil in their lying leftist indoctrination than I had any idea. Take your vile propaganda to the other thread at least.
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious. Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't. "Right-wing America can't be anti-LGTBQ+ because Trump isn't" sounds awfully like "America can't be racist because it has a black President." Even if Trump is authentically in support of LGBTQ+ rights, that doesn't mean that right-wing America as a whole is. OK I thought you were talking about Trump. If not, yes there is probably some anti-LGBTQ feeling on the right. Probably on the left too. Yes, I consider it to be a minority trying to force an alien morality on the majority. it is also a well known Marxist/Communist cause going back to the early days of Communism in America. I encountered a virulent version of it in the sixties. Be that as it may, nobody is denying reasonable social accommodations where possible. The problem is that the demands are often unreasonable.
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed. That's the whole point of the fight for transgender rights. You can't make little girls -- who happen to be transgender -- feel comfortable in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed. You're a tiny minority. Ask for something reasonable.
All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them. "You can just take your business elsewhere, boy, nobody's forcing you to use a whites-only business."Yeah, that's what you sound like. Whoever indoctrinated you certainly did a bangup job of it. No, the problem is driving the Christians out of business with your unreasonable demands. I'm sure you don't care of course, but that is why you are asked to take your business elsewhere. Your arguments are so evil they nauseate me. But I suppose you're just a victim of leftist indoctrination.
And of course you descend to the stupidity of accusing Trump of identifying ALL ililegal aliens as criminal. Why can't you THINK? "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." You know what he meant, you just want to engender hatred against him and his supporters.
Trump said specifically that Mexican undocumented immigrants are rapists. He assumes that "some" are good people. This is a complete reversal of empirical reality. Do you know that the Bible says that people who make others guilty for not using words as precisely as you demand +are committing a great sin? that's what you are so many like you are doing to Trump. It gets done a lot to me too.
If his campaign was built more on a model of truth, and not lie, he would have said something like: "They're good people. And some, I assume, are rapists." Oh give it a break. Try a little civility. Marxism isn't known for it but give it a try. This nation used to be civilized, not so much any more. Horowitz was joking when he said he thought he'd been called to leave the Left in order to teach conservatives bad manners. Meaning of course that the Left is about as bad mannered as you can get and civil people can't win against them without adopting their methods. Get off your high horse, get off your Offended Wounded Victim horse.
t's the right-wing base that cheered Trump for his demonization of undocumented immigrants. That's ignorance, and that's bigotry. No, that paragraph is just Marxist lies. Nobody has "demonized" ILLEGAL ALIENS (which is what "undocumented immigrants" are in Reality), and the ignorance and bigotry are all yours sweetheart. I hope you choke on it.
the Muslim refugee problem is not about race, it's about national security. Oh, c'mon. If Trump was actually concerned with national security instead of scapegoating an entire religious group, he'd put up a Male Ban. I'm sorry, you're a liar and a lunatic as well as an idiot.
The gender of an individual is a far, far greater predictor of violence than religion; so if Trump and right-wingers were concerned with national security, they'd at least champion "extreme vetting" for ALL males entering the country. That'd be based on empirical evidence instead of scapegoating. But nope. You right-wingers love your scapegoats. Learn something about Islam. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Little girl won't go into the newly transgendered bathroom at her school because there are boys in there, so every day she wets her pants.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The mother reported it on some website I saw. It's not imaginary.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You can't think either.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
the problem here is that I'm really not interested in this problem right now. I keep forgetting what your questions are but I think if I had an answer to them I'd have answered them, so I probably don't have an answer.
I suspect there are problems involved that we don't know about and it needs a lot more thought than we can give it here. There is obviously no problem if transgenders have been using the bathroom of their choice for years without causing a ruckus; If that's all there is to it there wouldn't be a need for special laws. My main reaction is that I resent the attempt of a small minority to impose its specialized problems on the majority. I strongly believe that children should not have to deal with such issues. I strongly believe that children who think they are the other sex should be strongly discouraged from it, given counseling and whatever other help they need, for their sake as well as society's. I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy. He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls. This kind of stupidity has gone way too far. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hey Faith, have you noticed how in your post you repeatedly call Genomicus and his opinions "Marxist" because you disagree with them? No, I believe he/she (despite the masculine avatar I always think of G as a female, and since he/she doesn't want to say I'm sticking to it) -- the opinions G expresses are definitely Marxist, which I suppose were crammed into her little head in university, by sixties radicals and their protgs who have been poisoning the minds of American youth for decades. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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I listened to a couple of the videos.
I still think if you can pass there shouldn't be a problem using the bathroom where you can fit in. So I disagree with the law that demands going where your birth sex wants you to go. Does that take care of this issue? (I don't really get why there would need to be any discussion if this is the case, however. If you can pass why is there a problem? The problem enters with freaking people out because you DON'T fit in, not if you do.) I have a feeling there is more to this though, and that another shoe is going to drop on it soon. I don't know what, but it can't be this easy. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That is not the case in CIVILIZED parts of the world. But of course we're headed for third world status with a pagan worldview unless Trump can pull us out of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Prove it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
On the Trump Presidency thread,
petrophysics1 writes: Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would. [And Percy answers:] I don't recall him saying he would run a chaotic and inept first 40 days of his presidency characterized by paranoid accusations, mean-minded actions and a nationalistic frenzy. He's to be given credit for trying to do what he said he would do, but he's doing it very poorly and incompetently whether it's immigration or trade or national defense or even just staffing his administration. The thread should be retitled The Leftist View of the Trump Presidency. Percy says he's not a liberal, just a good judge of craziness, but he sounds exactly like all the Leftists and doesn't care that all the people who voted for Trump disagree vehemently with his assessment.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Seems to me that in the current atmosphere of rampant Trump bashing it is necessary from time to time to remind the bashers that there are lots and lots of others who vehemently oppose their assessment. Petrophysics expressed his opposition and I'm supporting it.
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