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Faith 
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Message 1004 of 1484 (804361)
04-08-2017 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1002 by LamarkNewAge
04-08-2017 5:53 PM


Re: Faith and her point (response to jar)
If I had even the ghost of a clue what you are going on about I might try to respond. Just one incomprehensible accusation after another, however, is a bit hard to digest.
I did give my reasoning you know. Interesting that nobody bothers about that.
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Message 1006 of 1484 (804373)
04-08-2017 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by LamarkNewAge
04-08-2017 8:39 PM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
I usually CAN'T follow you because you are always going off on some completely irrelevant track of your own that has little to nothing to do with anything I've said. I showed that historically evolution has been used to undermine what I called "traditional morality," which I said wsa based on the Ten Commandments. I showed how those HAVE been undermined and the reasoning based on evolution that brought that about.
Now you are apparently claiming something about Christian morality being a bad thing? That of course has nothing to do with anything I've said. If traditional morality is based on the Ten Commandments, and I showed how the logic of evolution has been undermining those commandments, you are simply introducing a completely new and irrelevant topic. Unfortunately when you do that you also impute things to me I never said or even thought and that is really frustrating. There's no stopping you apparently but there should be.
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Message 1009 of 1484 (804409)
04-09-2017 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1008 by LamarkNewAge
04-08-2017 9:21 PM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
Your Message 1002 was all over the map and now you are bringing it all back to Gay Marriage? I didn't read all you wrote earlier about Alabama so I don't know the specifics but I gather you are making the point others have made that you think the gay marriage situation is the same as interracial marriage or something racist in any case? I don't think there is any similarity at all as I've said many times. Homosexuality is not comparable to race.

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Faith 
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Message 1013 of 1484 (804432)
04-09-2017 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1012 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2017 1:59 PM


dup
dup.
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Faith 
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Message 1014 of 1484 (804433)
04-09-2017 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1012 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2017 1:59 PM


Oh blithering blathering nonsense about rights
You ignored my question about the (rarely mentioned ) very anti democratic nature about the "Christian civilization" that you feel the south superbly represents. In 1964 few blacks could even vote in the tyranny that was the deep south. Lyndon Johnson got 12% of the state vote ( I heard ) even though blacks were over 30% of the population and all supported Johnson.
It is the idea that the ONLY places that claim to be "defending Christian rights" by opposing gay rights were the same ones who denied blacks the right to vote. (among other basic rights )
The Alabama state motto seems to be your manifesto.
We Dare To Defend Our Rights
Sounds like you lifted it.
Just more crazy made-up stuff from you. Cut it out.
You just keep imputing stuff to me I never said. For instance, I've never said one thing about the South, let alone that I "feel' the south "superbly represents" Christian civilization. THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, I NEVER SAID OR THOUGHT ANY SUCH THING. Such a thought never even crossed my mind. I don't identify ANYTHING with the South. If I had to locate the seat of Christian civilization in America I'd probably choose New England where the Pilgrims landed, but only for a short time as it went on to lose all its Christian character. You make up stuff about me.
YOU have some idea about the South relative to Christian "rights," I don't. I never said any such thing. "My Manifesto????" I've never been to the South, oh once a brief drive through of the coast states, never spent any time there, don't know much about the South, so why are you identifying me with the South? You are always accusing me of things that exist only in YOUR mind and have nothing to do with me.
I have to start ignoring you for real.
You are apparently getting all this made-up trash from a few remarks I made about how the West used to be Christian civilization, and how American rights included religious rights? NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH or Wallace or whatever weird stuff is going through yhour head. Freedom of religion isn't about the South, it's about America.
And for the zillionth time none of this is about "discrimination" against persons either. Please remember the topic is GAY MARRIAGE, it's about MARRIAGE, it's not about PEOPLE.
Sheesh.
This is probably my last post to you, there's no point, you make a garbled mess of everything I say and I'm tired of being accused of weird things thaqt have nothing to do with me.
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Message 1015 of 1484 (804437)
04-09-2017 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1010 by AZPaul3
04-09-2017 9:15 AM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
Funny how the most hate-filled posts dripping with venom are the ones falsely and meanly accusing someone else of being hate-filled.

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Message 1040 of 1484 (834530)
06-07-2018 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1039 by Chiroptera
06-07-2018 5:13 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth.
So would it be treating a person as a social outcast or as inferior in dignity ad worth who wanted to marry an underage child by denying that marriage? Denying marriage to people who are not qualified by nature or universal custom for marriage does not seem to me to be denying them dignity or worth.
Seems to me this law is denying ordinary rights to Christians who will have to close their wedding oriented businesses to avoid being sued or prosecuted for their religious faith. Kind of a perfect example of the Liberal Nazism that is ruing the country these days and is only going to get worse.
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Message 1043 of 1484 (834536)
06-07-2018 11:38 PM
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06-07-2018 9:05 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
But I'm not aware that "people who want to marry underage children" are, as a class, unfairly discriminated against in terms of housing, employment, or conducting business.
That's a bit odd. What does gay marriage have to do with all those forms of unfair discrimination?: Does gay marriage solve those problems? . However, the issue is whether there is an overarching objective standard for marriage or it's all just a matter of people's wanting it for personal reasons.
However, yes, I think Christians are going to have to give up wedding-related businesses, it looks like that's the way things are going, Christians who take the Bible seriously anyway.
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Message 1044 of 1484 (834537)
06-07-2018 11:46 PM
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06-07-2018 9:45 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
So far so good as far as that SCOTUS decision goes but it's awfully limited and doesn't challenge the real issue which is the conflict created with biblical faith by the legalizing of gay marriage. I agree with you that the winds of change are against Christianity and we are the ones who are going to have to adjust. That's probably a good thing though since we've become a wimpy compromising complacent lot overall, a little persecution should sharpen our sense of priorities.
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Message 1046 of 1484 (834539)
06-08-2018 12:12 AM
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06-07-2018 11:57 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
"..may find yourself having to either bake a cake for some undesirable refuse to do something that would dishonor God and by doing that make a customer unhappy, or get into another business."
It's a genuine dilemma, NoNukes, both options have seriously unwelcome consequences. I don't think you heard anything "loud and clear," I think you've got a cotton gob of prejudice in each ear.
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Message 1054 of 1484 (834553)
06-08-2018 12:53 PM
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06-08-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
The Bible lists a whole bunch of things that are abominations and worse. However gay marriage alone is singled out as the one thing that ought to be a reason for society to BOHICA to bigots. Not buying it, and neither should you.
Nobody is singling out gay marriage except people asking for specifically gay wedding paraphernalia from people whose belief in God forbids gay weddings. That's what the Supreme Court did, Christians aren't doing any singling out of anybody. Ringo says just change your beliefs. Well, God is God, I can't do that. Believers in the God of the Bible are called bigots for having no choice but to act on what they have always believed about God's ordinance of marriage. The Supreme Court did that, Christians aren't doing it. Being called bigots for acting on our beliefs, being sued and prosecuted for acting on our beliefs is a form of persecution. Just call it what it is. As I said we expect to have to adjust to it.
NOne of this is about refusing service to a class of people, it's specifically about weddings, only weddings. Birthdays no problem, Valentine's Day no problem, Cupcake Day no problem, just not special catering for weddings. So your multiple abominations are irrelevant. It's not about personal sins, it's about . weddings.
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Message 1057 of 1484 (834558)
06-08-2018 1:32 PM
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06-08-2018 1:17 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
I don't know whether you can change your beliefs or not - but you can change how you act on your beliefs. You could try, for example, to do what Jesus told you to do instead of what Moses told you to do.
Jesus told nobody to disobey God, and your theology is not my theology.

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Message 1058 of 1484 (834559)
06-08-2018 1:38 PM
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06-08-2018 1:06 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Your comment is off target. I did not say anything about gay people being singled out. My comment was about the cherry picking by some folks regarding which abominations in the Bible they are going to take seriously.
But that isn't true either.
The Supreme Court did not single anyone out. They are making general statements that apply to everyone regardless of their religious affiliation. What the Supreme Court did not do was give fundamentalist beliefs any particular weight.
They legalized gay marriage, redefining it as a civil right, which is a direct challenge to those who believe God created marriage for the purpose of joining the sexes. DIRECT challenge to a specific belief by Bible Christians.
I'm just trying to clarify the reality here. I'm not even trying to change it, but this is what the Supreme Court did.
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Message 1061 of 1484 (834564)
06-08-2018 2:03 PM
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06-08-2018 2:03 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Nobody is persecuting gay people.

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Message 1063 of 1484 (834566)
06-08-2018 2:11 PM
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06-08-2018 1:52 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Interracial marriage is a false comparison. Opposing that was against the Bible. Interracial marriage is a marriage between the two sexes which is according to God's ordinance making the two to be one flesh. They were not "right thinking Christians," they were opposing the Bible in many ways. Racism itself is contrary to the Bible. We're all children of one set of parents. This argument is twisted and absurd.
A law that grants a "right" that opposes God's law is twisted. But again, this twisted law is going to stand and God's law is going to be denied and those who support God's law are going to be persecuted, because even supposed Christians and supposed lawyers support such twistedness, and that's the way it is.

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