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roboto85 Inactive Member |
Yeah I normally do. I was referring to the free will deal.
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
You're really looking at things from a relative standpoint, while I am looking at things from a more definite standpoint. I think, whether we like it or not, their is going to be things considered "wrong" in the world. Like killing someone. Therefore, the potential to do evil or wrong, HAS to be there. See where I'm coming from?
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
He can tell the difference between real free will and illusory free will. If he has foreknowledge, we don't have free will to Him. Ok, what if He just had foreknowledge and not the ability to do something about it. Would that still mean to Him, we are not in control of our own actions?
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
I should point out that's hardly a response. At issue is not what Yaro believes but what he thinks you believe, i.e. that God is all-powerful and good. It doesn't matter what Yaro thinks. What matters is whether or not the world we observe is consistent with the idea of a moral, omnipotent God. I was giving a hypothetical situation as to some comments that were made by Yaro. Why can't I do the same, if this is all Yaro is doing?
It is societies that create the idea of evil and good, not gods. As I had stated before that quote, I was going along with what Yaro believed to be the case. I was venturing from the argument to attempt to prove a point Yaro was seeming to have trouble grasping. As I stated, why can Yaro go of course from the argument with his beliefs, and I can't lean towards his beliefs for a moment. Could you be biased? Maybe that's why biased people shouldn't join in arguments where they didn't take the trouble in considering where someone else is coming from. It's not your fault your biased. Your atheist and your going along with the atheist argument for the most part. From your perspective, I dont blame you. [This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
Ya know, for a god who hates evil so much, he sure made alot of it. Yeah, well Yaro shouldn't have been arguing about something he didn't believe in the first place. That would be like me saying, "For a nothing who doesn't exist, it sure put a lot of wonderful things in the world." It was a pointless statement, and a pointless argument. I don't believe a nothing exists, therefore I don't believe it put wonderful things in the world. He doesn't believe a God exists, therefore he doesn't believe it put evil into the world. That's why I had to attack his statement. [This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
So if God exists, he made evil. He hates evil, why did he make it? Haha, Oh man you're not even asking that question! Unless you want to go through this whole thing over again.
Let me ask you roboto85, What if god dosn't exist? What would that mean to you about good and evil?
I don't know, I guess they wouldn't even exist.
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
Yes, I knew he was being sarcastic. And thats probably the only reason I decided to debate with him. He's all like 'hahaha, God sure made a lot of evil for somebody who doesn't like evil dur.' The argument wasn't sarcastic though.
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
Nonetheless, evil exists. I thought atheists believed that evil only existed in our mind?
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
God is. He is light, he exists with all his attributes that I'm sure have been talked about several times around already. Since God is good, then anything he is (love, etc.) is good. Anything that is not like God is, is evil. God didn't create evil, the idea of evil existed as something that was not like God. By allowing free will God allowed this evil to become a reality with the fall of Lucifer. Evil was not created, it existed as opposite of what was already there. Evil exists because it is the places where God's attributes have been turned aside from. You're right, your post wasn't meant to be picked apart scientifically. But, you made a point I believe I was missing throughout the entire argument. Since God's attributes are already goodness personified, of course the opposite of these things is going to be wrong or evil. Well said.
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
ok... and by the way. What in the heck is oposits? That's not a word.
[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004] [This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004]
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
But they're also going to be equal in power to God. That is to say that if the devil personifies the opposite of God, the devil must also personify evil power in equal measure to the good power of God. Who says they're going to be equal? Love is much stronger than hate. Chocolate is the opposite of Vanilla, but that doesn't mean they're total opposites, or equal to eachother. [This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004]
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roboto85 Inactive Member |
I don't even believe that Satan is even God's full opposite. Nothing is bad enough to compare even oppositely with God's glory. The opposite of Satan would probably be any righteous angel who keeps Gods commands.
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