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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
...it expresses the shooter's point of view which subtly implies it was justified.... Actually, it implies no such thing.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Cat's eye, your video is ridiculous. Do you accept that proposition that speeches like Clinton's are what caused the shooting yesterday?
This is exactly the kind of stuff I thought you meant. I couldn't ask for a better illustration of why your position is bogus. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You get a choice in your religion and yet that is a protected class. If everyone got a free choice in their religion, then there would be a widespread distribution between Muslim/Sikh/Hindu/Jewish/Christian/atheists etc amongst children of Christian families and similarly amongst the other religions. Are you claiming that's the case ?
I don't subscribe to prejudging people based on groups that they belong to - it is wrong to affiliate people with weakness just because of their race or sexual orientation. I have seen Asian people punched in the face by a passing skinhead - I have seen gay people abused without defence by bigots - I have not seen white people punched for their colour or straight people abused for their sexuality. I think people should be afforded extra protection if they are receiving extra abuse.
Put on a MAGA hat and go walk through Harlem and then come back and tell me if you felt vulnerable or not. Are you prepared to claim that, in the states, Republicans suffer as much abuse/prejudice/bigotry/violence as black people ?
Sure, but what about calling for violence out of hatred? They're Republicans so that doesn't matter? That's wrong - but it's not hate speech. The disinction is important. Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Sure, but what about calling for violence out of hatred? That would be hate speech. How about some examples of folks in the media or politicians actually doing that. I'm not going to claim that nobody does that, but if you are going to tar "the Left" or "liberals" in that way, I expect you to show some mainstream calls for violence. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Do you accept that proposition that speeches like Clinton's are what caused the shooting yesterday? No, I've already said I don't. But if the leftists don't want to be hypocrites, then they should admit that according to their own logic it does.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I guess you missed the incident of the white guy being dragged out of his car and beaten by five black men for supposedly being a Trump supporter, which he wasn't, he was merely white. Or the mentally handicapped white guy who was kidnapped and tortured by four blacks for being white and a Trump supporter? you must be watching the wrong news sources.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If everyone got a free choice in their religion, then there would be a widespread distribution between Muslim/Sikh/Hindu/Jewish/Christian/atheists etc amongst children of Christian families and similarly amongst the other religions. Are you claiming that's the case ? Are you claiming that there is a widespread distribution between Democrats/Republicans/GreenParty/Independents amongst children of Democratic families?
I have not seen white people punched for their colour There's all kinds of videos on youtube of Antifa doing exactly that... All you have to do is call a white guy a Nazi first, then you're justified in assaulting them
Are you prepared to claim that, in the states, Republicans suffer as much abuse/prejudice/bigotry/violence as black people ? As much? No, but a non-zero amount of vulnerability? Yes.
That's wrong - but it's not hate speech. The disinction is important. I'm not seeing it.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Those are criminal assaults - I have been talking about hate speech.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How about some examples of folks in the media or politicians actually doing that. I'm not going to claim that nobody does that, but if you are going to tar "the Left" or "liberals" in that way, I expect you to show some mainstream calls for violence. I'll pass, I don't have the time right now. But it's "leftists", not liberals.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But I was responding to this, which isn't hate speech:
I have seen Asian people punched in the face by a passing skinhead - I have seen gay people abused without defence by bigots - I have not seen white people punched for their colour or straight people abused for their sexuality. And actually years ago -- in the seventies -- I once had to endure an abusive hate-filled speech by a gay rights advocate against straight people, saying we're all really homosexuals and should face up to it. We started out sympathetic to the cause and ended up in some other mood altogether.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Are you claiming that there is a widespread distribution between Democrats/Republicans/GreenParty/Independents amongst children of Democratic families? Way more so than amongst religious backgrounds, yes. And I note that you don't deny my rebuttal of your point.
There's all kinds of videos on youtube of Antifa doing exactly that... All you have to do is call a white guy a Nazi first, then you're justified in assaulting them There are some examples of that - are you claiming the preponderance of racist assaults against white people is greater than against black/Asian people in our societies ?
As much? No, but a non-zero amount of vulnerability? Yes. In my view, it doesn't require Republicans to suffer a zero amount of vulnerability in order to protect black people/gays etc.
I'm not seeing it. Because if we are to limit freedom of speech, to protect vulnerable segments of society, it is right that we limit those limitations. Hence hate speech should be a very specific definition.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wow do you have a low threshold for hate. Wow. How Leftist can you get?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
But I was responding to this, which isn't hate speech: Indeed (as to the punching part, in any event), but that was an example of why black/Asian people are especially abused in our society, and hence worthwhile offering protected class status for hate speech. Assault is criminal under any circumstances. Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK how about the expressed opinion that white people are the cause of all the problems in the world? How about the bullying of a kid for being blond and "looking like Trump" because he's blond?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
The contempt underlying it - contempt for the truth as well as individuals - is a pretty good indication of hate. Let's face it proof is a pretty good justification for criticism. But apparently not good enough when you are the target.
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