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LamarkNewAge
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Message 361 of 363 (812296)
06-15-2017 8:06 PM


A question about the Christian ( not Zoroastrian! ) Holy Spirit.
Faith and Phat claim it is the same thing as the Spirit of Christ in Romans 8:9

I request as many sources from Paul's epistles as Faith & Phat can find to clarify the Pauline view.

(Can you understand that Faith? I will be happy to clarify if the request makes no sense )


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Message 362 of 363 (812307)
06-15-2017 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by LamarkNewAge
06-15-2017 8:06 PM


Re: A question about the Christian ( not Zoroastrian! ) Holy Spirit.
I can't find any other verses that have the same distinction you are asking for. I'm sure the following isn't what you want but it's the best I can find. But your whole preoccupation seems nonsensical to me and unnecessary.

Jhn 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Jhn 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Act 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

1Co 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 363 of 363 (812313)
06-15-2017 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by Faith
06-15-2017 11:03 PM


Re: A question about the Christian ( not Zoroastrian! ) Holy Spirit.
FIRST THING:

I am not going to be able to fathom how you can accuse me of being full of nonsense simply because I am interested in understanding the Pauline view of the Holy Spirit.

I remember when you used to argue with me when I said that the Council of Nicea should be seen as totally unimportant and irrelevant to the teachings of the 1st century founders of (what would become ) Christianity.

You strongly insisted on the importance of the 4th century Trinity doctrine and seemed to be saying that salvation rode on whether individuals accepted or rejected Constantine's 325 AD church council . (Have you grown out of that my mindset in the last 18 months? )

SECOND :

Can we stick with the (genuine and disputed in terms of authentic Pauline authorship ) Epistles of Paul, since they are chronologically the most early. Nobody doubts Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians in the first 1/3 of the 50s in the first century. The rest of the epistles were all written before 62 AD. The authentic ones anyway. The technology of recent decades (computers ) have backed up the single author of the 7 authentic Pauline Epistles.

Both fundamentalists and the "Jesus never existed" crowd should value the Pauline epistles as an area of extreme chronological importance.

THIRD

You did quote from 1 Cor 12:3 .

Do you want to interpret the verse?

Is that the only Holy Spirit verse?

We can get to Acts quotes of Paul, but the book probably was written after 90 AD

FOURTH

Can you please show us how the quotes are consistent with the Council of Nicea?


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