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Faith 
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Message 1066 of 1352 (812415)
06-16-2017 11:57 AM
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06-16-2017 11:33 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
OK, yes, EXCEPT for the Great Unconformity. All the strata above that point were in place before the tectonic disturbance that followed.

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Message 1067 of 1352 (812421)
06-16-2017 12:10 PM
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06-16-2017 11:57 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
That's a pretty big exception, especially given that you are looking at a limited area with only a few examples.
The evidence doesn't really confirm that the Claron formation was deposited before the tilt at the far north occurred either. And I don't know how you can say whether the fault at Vermilion Cliffs occurred after the Kayenta formation and later strata were deposited to the North of it or not.
Which leaves you remarkably little evidence for even a local claim excepting the Great Unconformity.

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Message 1068 of 1352 (812422)
06-16-2017 12:11 PM
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06-16-2017 3:57 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
ICANT writes:
edge writes:
Possibly. But how could they when the eruption was supposed to end all life on the planet?
According to whom? The Bible says no such thing.
That's exactly what the bible says:
quote:
Genesis 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
quote:
Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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jar
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Message 1069 of 1352 (812425)
06-16-2017 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1060 by Faith
06-16-2017 11:10 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
Faith writes:
There is no such thing as the KT or PT boundaries, that's all fiction based on the Geo Time Scale and since I reject all your dating systems you shouldn't pin them on me. Besides the dates I gave are nowhere near your Time Scale dates so why are you claiming they are? I absolutely reject all your dates.
And you reject all reality and truth based one what fantasy Faith?

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jar
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Message 1070 of 1352 (812426)
06-16-2017 12:18 PM
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06-16-2017 11:31 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
And you reject all reality and truth based one what fantasy Faith?

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Message 1071 of 1352 (812427)
06-16-2017 12:18 PM
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06-16-2017 11:55 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
And you reject all reality and truth based one what fantasy Faith?

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jar
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Message 1072 of 1352 (812428)
06-16-2017 12:19 PM
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06-16-2017 11:57 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
And you reject all reality and truth based one what fantasy Faith?

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JonF
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Message 1073 of 1352 (812436)
06-16-2017 1:05 PM
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06-16-2017 11:55 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
They are obvious differences in the geological column. Any valid theory must account for them. No matter what you call them.
If they have nothing to do with your views then you have no hypothesis about what caused them and the rest of the geologic column.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1074 of 1352 (812444)
06-16-2017 1:23 PM
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06-16-2017 1:05 PM


Re: The date of the flood...
Good grief this is craziness. I'm talking about the DATING which has nothing to do with the Flood. Duh. Duh. Duh. But if you want my view of the iridium layer it was carried on the Flood water and deposited on top of the layer where it got called the KT boundary.

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Message 1075 of 1352 (812448)
06-16-2017 2:39 PM
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06-16-2017 1:23 PM


Re: The date of the flood...
Have you looked at the topic of this thread?
Boy, that sure is some magic water-like substance! That amount and isotopic distribution of iridium didn't come from Earth.

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edge
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Message 1076 of 1352 (812454)
06-16-2017 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1066 by Faith
06-16-2017 11:57 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
OK, yes, EXCEPT for the Great Unconformity. All the strata above that point were in place before the tectonic disturbance that followed.
.. at the Grand Canyon.

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edge
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Message 1077 of 1352 (812456)
06-16-2017 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1052 by ICANT
06-16-2017 4:05 AM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
The water came from the sky and from the fountains of the deep.
In your story, yes.
As far as the biggest geological event in the history of the earth. Why don't you take a trip to the Bay of Fundy and watch the tide come in and go out.
I have. What does that have to do with anything?
If you don't want to take the trip and see it in person you can visit it online. You will notice that even though the water rises and falls 55 feet in 11+ hours it does very little damage.
Of course not, it's a normal every day event. It's not a tsunami.

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edge
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Message 1078 of 1352 (812458)
06-16-2017 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1051 by ICANT
06-16-2017 3:57 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Are you that nave?
Naivete is not one of my strong points.
Any hole in the earth is a fountain whether it spews out cold water, hot water, or molten rock.
As you wish. However, I don't see any of these things producing a flood.
According to whom? The Bible says no such thing.
It only says the water rose and covered the earth.
Okay, so that's your story.
You been reading AIG's fairy tale books that Faith reads. Or some of the Seventh Day Adventist teachings about the flood.
Well, reading YEC stories does get confusing.
You sure have not been reading what the Bible says. No wonder you are so mixed up about the Biblical record of the flood.
Thank you.
What evidence do you have that the water coming out of the fountains of the deep would do any damage. The Bible does not say anything about the volcanos erupting only the water rising.
Hey, I can only know what you guys tell me about a fanciful event.
The water in the Bay of Fundy rises 55 feet and falls 55 feet every Eleven plus hours and does very little damage.
Most tsunamis are less than that and do a lot of damage.
The fountains of the deep are not little small cracks in the rocks, and it would take more than limestone to hold the water pressure the water under the ground at the bottom of the sea is under. Any liquid be it water or oil is under a lot of pressure
That's not the point. But since I don't really care, I can't remember why I mentioned that.
We have a lot of fountains of the deep in Florida. Silver Springs, at Ocala, Wakula Springs at Wakula and Homosassa Springs, at Homosassa which produces all the drinking water for St Petersburg. Then we have Blue springs, White springs just to name a few. These put out thousands of gallons per hour 24/7. They do no damage. We have wells that produce water the say way except a pipe has been drilled down to where the water is. Although most of those are capped or have a shutoff valve on them now.
That's nice. But not really relevant. None of them would flood the earth. And I have been to some of them. Do you understand where the water coming from these springs comes from?
But if you want to discuss flood ideas with me you going to have to leave Faith's musings behind.
Few things would give me more pleasure.
I think...
Faith and I agree on one thing and that a world wide flood happened not to far in the past.
Well, in that case, you are both wrong. There is no evidence to suggest that such a thing happened.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1079 of 1352 (812513)
06-17-2017 5:06 AM
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06-16-2017 4:01 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Well, in that case, you are both wrong. There is no evidence to suggest that such a thing happened.
Every time you deny the glaring evidence I have to remind you:
Strata and Fossils. In-your-face evidence.

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Message 1080 of 1352 (812516)
06-17-2017 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1079 by Faith
06-17-2017 5:06 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Every time you deny the glaring evidence I have to remind you:
Strata and Fossils. In-your-face evidence.
The irony.
Fossils of trilobites sorted with radioactive isotopes in thick layers with different trilobite species and different isotopes, ... how does that happen? Billions of years of gradual accumulation, or magic?
If you don't have a scientific explanation you are invoking magic.
Lacking is any mixing of species and isotope sediments that would occur with a flying flood fantasy that terraforms the earth to current day appearance in less than a thousand years.
Unless you invoke magic.
If you don't have a scientific explanation you are invoking magic.
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