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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I agree - but there's no need to believe in any of that useless stuff about humans and apes having a common ancestor, Says the guy who believes:
quote: And I agree there is no need to believe any of that. Evolution leads some of us to conclusions and creationism leads others to believe useless delusions.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I've heard that there are no transitionals between invertebrates and vertebrates. Is this true? Do you realize that vertebrates are only one phylum and that invertebrates make up the other 33 or so phyla? Were you under the impression that Phylum Chordata evolved from some super-phylum Invertebrata or something?....oh, dumb question, you think knowledge is useless.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dredge writes: I can believe that life on earth is only 5778 years old and still become a competent biologist who could potentially tackle any task in applied biology. This would prove a) creationists are not anti-science, and b) the "information" that humans and apes had a common ancestor is as useless as a fairy tale. Like I said: quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: I'm sick to death of this lying crap.I'm sick of the constant same old same old here. The same old stupid misrepresentations of creationism in particular. The same old stupid accusations of creationists and conservatives. The same old meanness of the Left they project on the Right. And nobody here has the wit to do anything in response to this either Well, I can think of an obvious cure for your sicknessWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
CRR writes: Taq writes:
Almost right. However the mutations aren't produced in response to antibiotics. You can start an experiment with a single bacterium and grow an entire population from that single founder. What you will find is that 1 in a few hundred million bacteria will produce resistance to different kinds of antibiotic. This isn't a case of pre-existing variation. This is a case of mutations producing new characteristics. Almost right. However, Taq never said or implied that the mutations were produced in response to antibiotics.
CRR writes: However the reason these resistant strains are at minuscule levels in wild populations is that the mutation is usually a defect that is detrimental in the absence of antibiotics. The mutations constantly occur and are constantly removed by natural selection. A similar situation applies to insecticide resistance in insects. Do you have any evidence that the mutations for insecticide resistance are detrimental? Can you cite any research papers that support your statements with regards to insects? Do you have any research that shows the resistance mutations in insects are constantly removed by natural selection? What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
He's a troll, just yanking chains.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Acceptance of ToE is directly proportional to the incidence of atheism. So what? Acceptance of creationism is directly related to ignorance.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Thanks for the references. I will try and find them.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Dredge writes: Having rejected Creation, atheists have no chose but to accept some theory of evolution as a means of explaining the reality of life (as there are no other alternatives). Interesting that you fantasize about my history. Actually, I was exposed to the Theory of Evolution during the summer when I was 13. I remember because it was the first year that I worked for my grandfather on his ranch. I always read a lot of books during the summer and one that year was a large book on the history of life. It was absolutely fascinating and by the end of the summer, I was convinced that religion was as childish as belief in Santa Claus. What convinced me was the evidence, a whole book full of it (and this was before molecular biology). I already knew I wanted to be a scientist studying insects and that book gave me the basis to understand why there are so many species and how they came to be unique.
Dredge writes: Darwinism is an attempt to provide a scientific explanation for how this this evolution works. 150 years ago Darwin gave us a scientific explanation for the diversity of life on our planet. He organized his explanation so well that it became the scaffold for the systematic study of all of biology. We have really learned a lot in the last 150 years and all the observations confirm that life has evolved and is evolving. Curiously, none of the evidence indicates that creationism is anything but childish fantasy.
Dredge writes: The fact that any theory of evolution is utterley useless in any applied scientific sense is irrelevant to it's acceptance - because it's raison d'etre isn't scientific, but philosophical. Well, it's too bad that you don't know anything about science, but your envy of those of us that do makes your ignorance all the sadder.
Dredge writes: Darwinism can rightly be described as "atheist theology". It sure seems to piss you off that millions of scientists and millions more of smart people accept and use the Theory of Evolution and completely ignore what you creationists think. The funny part is that you worst insult you can come up with is "atheist theology". It is clear that even though you won't admit it, you know that religion is childish drivel that no adult would still believe in.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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The roster of truly great people who became believers after a long time of typical worldly indoctrination proves you wrong. Sorry, that doesn't prove anything other than well known people can become just as deluded as people none of us have heard of.
I was just as indoctrinated in evolution and the old earth when I became a believer in my late forties. Well, whoever indoctrinated you didn't know what they were talking about, judging from your poor grasp of evolution and geology. All you demonstrate is that you are easily indoctrinated.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
C.S. Lewis is a lot smarter than the likes of you. Maybe so, but that doesn't mean he knows anything more about god than I do, or that he wasn't completely deluded.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
But the way that creationists and "true Christians" misuse and abuse religion does not mean that religion is worthless. As hugely successful science is at answering questions about the real world, it can only work for a small subset of questions, namely questions about how the real world works. I agree, but I think that grown-ups believing in imaginary, invisible, all-powerful beings who despite being all powerful cannot communicate with all of us is dangerous. When it leads believers to deny evidence that everyone can see because it demonstrates that their interpretation of the bible is not true I see as having no positive benefit for humanity.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Dredge writes: Evolutionary scientists read into the evidence whatever they want to see - this quackery is applied to everything from the the fossil record to geology to embryology to genetics, etc, etc. These snake-oil merchants fool a lot of people, but they don't fool me or millions of other creationists. Whew, that's a relief, but that really doesn't solve the problem that the creationists want to drown us in bullshit.
Dredge writes: Even when the inevitable arrives and genetics nails the the lid shut on evolution's coffin, there will be many atheists who won't accept the evidence. When do you think the "inevitable" will arrive? I can hardly wait....it will mean a Nobel for sure! So, you must have some inside information, huh? Care to share a little?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I have always found it fascinating that creationists try so hard to make evolution look like a religion. Why is that? And an atheist religion at that. Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.
Or the whole: "See, evolution takes faith!" arguments, as if they see faith as some kind of bad thing - which makes you wonder... The results of cognitive dissonance are amazing to observe.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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