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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You don't seem to get it. I am not going to vote for or pursue pushing a Republican ... It's not a republican, its a progressive candidate running in the republican primary ... because whoever wins the republican primary is virtually guaranteed to win the general election. Gerrymandering shifts the actual election to the primary, so to beat the nasty republicans you have to run in their primary ... and get all the democrat/liberal/progressive/independent/etc people in the district to register republican and vote in the primary for the faux republican candidate. Sheesh.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Sure it can start slow a few having success this way but you're talking about spoiling Bannon here and now. We need our "new" Republicans now. Indeed. I've talked to some democrat party people about it but interest seems low. Maybe after they lose in 2018 and Bannon wins and things get worse they might start thinking. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD, I have been somewhat following this thread and feel I understand how your strategy may be successful under some circumstances. However, I believe those circumstances are not presently as universal as you may believe. You are In Rhode Island, not West Texas, so I would like to point out some other factors that diminish the strategy you propose in my situation. Both Texas and RI are more like the middle situation, gerrymandered to provide a majority in every district.
Texas is a lost cause in my book, I'm looking at states that are heavily gerrymandered so that a minority wins, the right hand situation. Like North Carolina and Michigan. An independent commission charged with creating districts so that representatives reflected the diversity of the population would make it so there would be two yellow districts and three green districts, as any other alternative favors one party over the other disproportionately to the population. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Texas is HEAVILY gerrymandered and isn't nearly a given for a "conservative" in parts of the state as people think it is. So there is hope. And another place to try Faux Republican Progressive candidates ... But my personal opinion is that districts need to be abolished altogether and a different metric used to select representatives, one that will reflect the diversity of the population, for instance one that results in half women and half men, one that reflects minorities in proportion to their population, one that reflects different economic levels. Perhaps by lottery ... with 3 year term, 1/3rd chosen every year. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Your strategy is to put up a candidate whom you know is going to sell you out immediately and will continue to sell you out in order to maintain their ability to get elected all because you hope they might vote a certain way on a certain bill? A bill that will likely never make it to the floor due to the leadership that this fake candidate installed? Sorry, no, that is not the strategy. The strategy is to elect a progressive to the house by winning the republican primary. The progressive would side with the democrats not the republicans. How else do you expect to win back a majority in the house? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No that isn't what you are trying to do. Instead you are selling off a good chunk of progressive positions in the hope of electing someone less Republicany. Curious how people are telling me what I mean, especially when it isn't true. The idea is to elect a progressive. Period. The idea is that the election essentially takes place in the primary because of gerrymandering -- so bring your candidate to the republican primary and run against one or more (the more the merrier) republicans. Have everyone in the district vote in the republican primary. Yes there are more republican voters than liberal/progressive voters because of gerrymandering, but IF you can take some votes from the republican OR the republican ticket is split THEN a progressive/liberal could win the primary ... and then you have one or two democrat/progressive/liberal candidates in the general election. Winning the republican primary doesn't make you a republican. It is a simple plot to subvert the gerrymandered districting by taking the election to the primary. Sadly I am astounded that people I regard as above average intelligence can't see beyond party labels ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD, they won't ever get elected in the R primaries. The talk radios will kill them before arrival. You're counting on no brains from the R side. So the answer is to curl up on your couch and wish republicans would all die? Or do you try to do something about it, try to change the dialogue. Talk radio will only talk to the radio heads, not the general public, the people who are tired of congress (low approval rating) and want some progress. What is your solution or do you just give up. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And you honestly believe that a Republican is going to vote for a Democrat for Speaker of the House? Exactly how does a Republican being elected to the Senate result in a Democrat becoming the leader of the Senate? That isn't how the rules work. Whichever party has the majority automatically gains leadership. ... By doing it in enough districts that the democrats get a majority.
Cleaning up the Republican Party isn't going to happen by tricking them into voting for a progressive. ... Still not the plan. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You've already admitted to tolerating stuff I find intolerable. Your progressives aren't all that progressive. Again you are blinding yourself, the plan is to elect someone not-a-republican in the republican primary. I would call that person a progressive republican for the purpose of the primary. Once you have that then, either that person wins the general or a democrat wins the general. In either case you then have not-a-republican in the house. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The answer is to vote against Republicans. In the republican primary for a progressive candidate running against the republicans in the primary where the district is gerrymandered to essentially guarantee the republican candidate picked in the primary will win the general election. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
wrong again.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and still wrong.
This is getting entertaining, seeing how wrong you can be over a very simple concept. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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Not Getting It But in those stacked districts, the Republicans compete on who can be the most unliberal. People are actually voting against universal health care and expanding the minimum wage even though they are as poor as dirt. Your strategy is to try to sneak a "progressive" by folks who apparently consider real liberals "commies." My strategy is to get the liberal progressive voters in those districts to register as republicans to vote for a liberal progressive candidate in the republican primary. With one liberal progressive candidate against a field of republicans that split the republican votes, the liberal progressive could win the primary. So simple. It makes gerrymandering work against them instead of for them. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Is there a main clause in that "sentence"? I was just extending what you said in Message 81 Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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