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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: Mainly, that that method does not cover creation or the far past.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote:Yet you feel you share an ancestor with the potato, no?
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Still having trouble admitting origin science branches are religion eh?
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: Only if that distant universe or past also was IN the natural world. You need to do more than assume it was.
The scientific method covers anything in the natural world for which evidence exists. The evidence can be for anything
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
What flies in our sky is in this nature. Irrelevant. Nothing flies out of fishbowl earth area anyhow. Again, not even relevant.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: Yes, things arrive here. We THEN see them in time here. Our time and space. So, for example if light here moves at x speed in our time and spae, we know that. Now, how fast does it move in deep space, do you know? Remember you may not use anything in our time and solar system area where WE see the light as a basis for claiming time related issues ut in far space.
The electromagnetic radiation, cosmic rays, gravity, electric fields, magnetic fields, meteorites, comets, etc., that we observe arriving here from the distant universe are all natural. The scientific method is designed to study natural phenomena. By the way, I didn't just say "The evidence can be for anything." I said, "The evidence can be for anything, including the distant past" (questioning whether we could study the past was the main point of your Message 985). I then continued on to explain why that was true:
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
coyote writes: Presumably you feel religion better covers creation and the far past. In response, RAZD noted: So, which of these 10,000 or more religions do you want taught? Yours, perhaps? Anything but the religion of science! I would prefer the majority of an area see their beliefs reflected for their kids. In India, in area, maybe Hindi beliefs...etc etc. Whatever belief a majority chooses is not the issue, the issue is teaching the beliefs as science.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: That does not address anything outside the area of the solar system and earth actually. Try again. We not only see things from here, we also see things from our space probes. Obviously space-time is the same all the way out to the Voyager spacecraft that are now way way out beyond Pluto, since they continue to work normally as designed. No probe has even gotten on light day away yet. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
modulus writes: What is in the fishbowl of earth and the solar system area is not relevant to what time is like is deep space.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
modulus writes: But if what explains what is happening in deep space also, without modification, explains what is going on in the 'fishbowl' - that constitutes a very strong reason to suppose the fishbowl and deep space are part of the same nature. Without any reason at all to suppose otherwise - that's the scientific conclusion and that's why it should be taught where appropriate - your made-up rules and baseless repeated opining notwithstanding. Name an example of something you think explains time and it's nature n the far universe!?
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: And you know this how? --Percy Because we need reason to claim it is so. You have none. So we don't know. That means you can't claim time is a certain way there.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: No. You have not even addressed what time is like in the far universe. That can't be done by simply noting what it is like here, in the light we see here in time here.
There's no reason to try again. I and others have already explained how we know that the laws of nature are the same everywhere we look in the universe.
But regarding your specific and erroneous claim that we only see things from here, I provided the example of space probes that can see things from as far away as outside the boundaries of the solar system (Voyager 1 left the solar system in August of 2012). It was not erroneous. By here I refer to the solar system and area. The probe is still less than a light day away. It is still here.
True - so what? Voyager 1 is about .7 of a light day away. Is a light day your threshold? If a probe reaches a distance of a light day from the sun and still perceives things out there as being the same as here, will that settle it for you? Because in about 15 years Voyager 1 will be about a light day away. What is known is my threshold. You may speak only of what it is like where it is known, and that is, as you say, .7 of one light day away at the moment. If you want to speak of a whole light day, come back in 15 years!
--Percy
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Supernovae that are fifty million light years away show light curves just like those of nearby supernovae. All of these can be modeled using the radioactive decay of cobalt-60. It decays at the same rate there as it does on Earth. So time is the same as far as we can see. Unless time existed out there also as here, no distances are known actually. Stop preaching what you do not know.
You are making things up, creation. Silly things.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Physics where a star is? How does that show what time is like there> Ha.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No you have not addressed what time is like, or even what it is here actually.
Light arrives, yes. Then we see it! Where? Here! Always here. Only here. Nowhere else ever. So all you see is light here. Not there. Only here.
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