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Author Topic:   Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.
jar
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Message 2257 of 2887 (831851)
04-25-2018 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2227 by Faith
04-24-2018 8:36 PM


Re: Geological Column also known as Stratigraphic Column
Faith writes:
Oh they are flat flat flat to the naked eye and even Edge the geologist calls them "tabular," so stop with the misrepresentations.
No, Faith. What actually exists are layers that are flat in places, bent in places, missing in places, eroded and filled in later in places and you have been show examples of all of there.
What we see in the past is what we see today.

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jar
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Message 2264 of 2887 (831859)
04-25-2018 10:25 AM


yet more evidence that is impossible under a flood scenario.
Just another example that need explaining.
Fossil Raindrops
Yet more images of fossil rain drops
How can a flood create fossil raindrops?

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Message 2267 of 2887 (831866)
04-25-2018 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2266 by Faith
04-25-2018 2:37 PM


Re: Geological Column also known as Stratigraphic Column
Faith writes:
Oh and I might as well answer jar's silly remark about raindrop impressions. I already mentioned them. Like the tracks and the burrows they had to have been made when the rising water had just deposited a wet layer of sediment by a wave or a high tide and then retreated temporarily, to return in time to deposit a new load of sediment that filled the raindrop impressions. Sometime during the forty days and nights of rain I would suppose.
But how did it do dat Faithie?

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jar
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Message 2270 of 2887 (831870)
04-25-2018 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2269 by Percy
04-25-2018 4:51 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Percy writes:
There is no evidence for the Flood, let alone any evidence of significant change in genetic variation before and after around 4500 years when this supposed Flood was supposed to have happened.
The truth is that there is direct evidence that the Biblical Flood did not happen and that there has been very little genetic change in over 10,000 years.
Change leaves evidence. If someone claims to have hit the target but there is no hole in the target, the person did not hit the target.
We know what the evidence for a flood looks like. In fact we can identify quite a few floods that happened in the past. But there is NO evidence of any world-wide flood happening at anytime when humans existed.
We also have direct genetic evidence going back at least 700,000 years which is certainly pre-Biblical Flood regardless of which Biblical Flood story is used as the reference.
We also have other genetic samples; Oetzi is a great example and he would have been a contemporary of Adam which would place him pre-Biblical Flood as well and with Oetzi we gained gentic evidence of humans as well as animals and plants from the same period and environment.
So what we have is not just a lack of evidence but actual evidence showing little or no genetic changes as well as the fact that the evidence that MUST be there if the Biblical Flood really hit the target is simply not there.
Young Earth is a stupid idea only supported by Cultists.
The Biblical Flood is a stupid idea only supported by Cultists.

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jar
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Message 2289 of 2887 (831910)
04-27-2018 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 2287 by Faith
04-27-2018 10:26 AM


Thanks for yet more evidence that those supporting the flood are ignorant at best.
Thanks for yet more evidence that those supporting the flood are ignorant at best but far more likely simply utterly dishonest.
Faith writes:
It's not even clear what the fountains of the deep were, and as I said, some think they were volcanoes. Well, there are more volcanoes on the sea floor than on the land, so if that's what they were I'm sure the mappers found lots of them.
Why would anyone pay any attention to anyone so ignorant as to be unable to distinguish between water and lava or volcanic ash?
Fortunately the mappers were not so dishonest or so ignorant that they could not distinguish between a fountain and a volcano.

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jar
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Message 2292 of 2887 (831913)
04-27-2018 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2291 by Faith
04-27-2018 11:10 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
Faith writes:
Oh you probably believe your stuff, but I believe mine. Some day yours will be exposed as ridiculous. I hope soon of course.
How will the conventional theories be exposed as ridiculous when all of the evidence supports those theories and no Young Earth Creationist and no supporter of the Biblical Flood has ever presented any model, mechanism, process, procedure or method for either of the Biblical Flood tales to produce what exists in reality or any model, mechanism, process, procedure or method that could explain a Young Earth?

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Message 2297 of 2887 (831920)
04-27-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2295 by PaulK
04-27-2018 11:58 AM


Faith indulges in fantasy again
Paulk writes:
Faith writes:
All made up to fit the ridiculous "landscape" interpretation of what is only now a flat sandstone rock in most places, and a water-swirled sandstone formation elsewhere.
Oh, so you are going to try to pretend that the discussion was about something other than your misrepresentation of the article ? Just another example of your dishonesty. And, of course, what you say just isn’t true even then. The conclusions about the origins of the Navajo Sandstone are based on detailed study of the rock, which is something you have never done.
And so Faith makes a statement that what is being discussed is now a flat sandstone rock in most places, and a water-swirled sandstone formation elsewhere.
Perhaps Faith can explain how the imaginary flood produces this evidence found in reality?

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jar
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Message 2301 of 2887 (831928)
04-27-2018 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2298 by Faith
04-27-2018 12:31 PM


Re: Faith indulges in fantasy again
Faith writes:
You don't know how those formed either, but they look to me like they were formed by swirling water.
Wrong again Faith. I and many others do know how those formations were created because we can see the same formations being created today.
Faith writes:
When the Flood receded, taking whatever sediments were above those formations, if there were any, leaving some unconsolidated sand exposed, I'd guess that the water did that to the sand that was there.
So explain how the flood did that Faith?

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jar
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Message 2305 of 2887 (831938)
04-27-2018 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2286 by PaulK
04-27-2018 9:48 AM


no earthquakes in the Biblical Flood myths
What is so funny is that the signs show sand blows which do not form in floods but during earthquakes. And so I went back and checked the source and there are no earthquakes recorded in either of the Biblical flood myths.
Seems simple. No earthquakes during the Biblical flood so the Navajo sandstone was not deposited during either of the Biblical Flood accounts.
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jar
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Message 2340 of 2887 (831982)
04-28-2018 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 2328 by Faith
04-28-2018 10:02 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
Faith writes:
They outright contradicted what the Bible says, that God ceased His creation work on the seventh day. They have Him continuing to invent fossils and creating creatures to live on isolated islands long after Creation Week. Nothing I've said contradicts the Bible, it builds on it.
No Faith, once again you are simply misrepresenting everything. They did not say when God faked all the evidence and decided to con everyone.

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jar
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Message 2341 of 2887 (831983)
04-28-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2337 by Faith
04-28-2018 10:52 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
Faith writes:
As I just got through explaining to Tangle, YEC was NOT "abandoned" because YEC was never practiced, and what "creationists" were doing was unbiblical.
And once again you were simply misrepresenting what others said and showing you are as ignorant of what the early geologists said as you are of what the Bible says.

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jar
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Message 2343 of 2887 (831985)
04-28-2018 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2339 by Faith
04-28-2018 11:01 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
Faith writes:
The Geological Timescale with its time periods pretending that anything could have lived on a sea of wet sediment, or that evolution needs millions of years to produce a simple trilobite variation, is scientifically preposterous and is going to have to go.
Yet once again you are simply showing your utter ignorance since today we can see things living and living well on just about every wet sediment where we look.
You really need to stop posting utterly silly things.

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jar
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Message 2387 of 2887 (832066)
04-29-2018 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2386 by Faith
04-29-2018 12:05 PM


There ain't no tectonic activity in the Flood Myths.
Faith writes:
Perhaps it was "to some degree lithified" then, but if it was formed in the Flood it would only have been at most a few months before the sediment had all accumulated on top of it, and I am still putting the time of the tectonic upheaval while the Flood was at its height, the movement being the cause of the water's receding, so would you expect it to be completely dry?
There is no tectonic activity in the flood myths Faith. You are just making shit up again.

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jar
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Message 2389 of 2887 (832068)
04-29-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2388 by Faith
04-29-2018 1:35 PM


Re: There ain't no tectonic activity in the Flood Myths.
Yes Faith, you are just making shit up to fit the dogma of your Cult. It really is just another example of your perversion of the Bible.

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jar
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Message 2405 of 2887 (832084)
04-29-2018 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2396 by Faith
04-29-2018 2:19 PM


Re: There ain't no tectonic activity in the Flood Myths.
Faith writes:
No I can't make up just anything, it has to fit with the general description of the Flood and its timeline, and I'm doing my best to find a way to fit it with the physical world as well, even in the teeth of hostile remarks by geologists.
There are no volcanoes or earthquakes in the general description of the Flood and its Timeline.

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