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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tangle writes: It presumably makes him feel big, strong and macho carrying all that crap around with him on full display. There you go making the same stupid comments as Phat does. But I do support your right to make stupid comments. Honestly, the reality is that almost no one even notices that I am carrying a handgun.
Tangle writes: To European eyes, it's all utterly bizarre, stupidly dangerous and socially irresponsible. Fortunately I am NOT in Europe.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Are you operating under some weird notion that statistics don't apply to you? That the risks of planes, trains, cars and guns don't apply to you? That your descriptions of constant honing of skills, eternal and masterful vigilance, and superior focus on carefulness and safety, are real rather than just vanity and braggadocio? Why yes, Percy, I am. But of course I was also under the impression you were smart enough to realize that statistics apply to populations and not individual events.
Percy writes: It is clear from the way you write about them that you like guns because of how they make you feel and not because they are necessary or make you safer. LOL. Yes, I enjoy building skills. I enjoy the difficulty and responsibility involved.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And you have not shown any evidence that I place anyone else at risk in any manner different than when I drive a car or walk on the street or many other things I do.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tangle writes: Two wasn't it? In 'open carry' or whatever the bloody phrase is. Almost no one notices? Like no one notices a personal number plate, red lipstick or a Gucci handbag. Being noticed is really the point isn't it? When I open Carry (as opposed to concealed carry), yes, believe it or not almost no one notices. I don't often were red lipstick or carry a handbag so can't comment on those but I admit I do imagine folk would notice me wearing red lipstick. Backup handguns like most of the knives I carry would most often be concealed so generally not seen. I explained that I try to get to the range to practice at least twice a week. I will generally shoot a minimum of 50 rounds and as many as 250 rounds in such a session. If I just stop by (it's close to home) I might do a short very specific set of drills on one facet or technique so maybe only 25/50 rounds plus what ever a normal capacity of the handgun of the day would be so it is always loaded is reasonable. I have never tried to carry a years worth of ammo. For example, today I am carrying a 1980 Colt Detective Special with only 6 rounds of ammunition. I do also have two speed loaders with another six rounds each but only because I am practicing blind reloads (where you eject all the spent shells and then reload without looking at the revolver). And as I said, I'm not in Europe and in most of the US what I am doing is quite legal and not really that unusual.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Responsibility to society? Personal responsibility Phat. I have no responsibility to society beyond obeying the laws and in some cases social norm. You touch on an important point though that is often discussed among gun owners; do they have a responsibility to help protect society. While the answer to that varies from person to person I feel little responsibility to actively protect others in MOST cases. If I were present during a robbery or saw someone breaking into a neighbors house or car then my response would be to call 911 and try to note as much information as I could that might help the police. Even if armed I would most likely not intervene. If there was a situation where there was a direct and immediate threat to life AND if I was pretty sure I could intervene without endangering other innocents (clear lines of sight, known background, high probability of significant success AND a clear immediate threat) then I might try to stop the threat. But it is NOT something I hope ever happens. Remember, having a License to Carry a handgun does not provide any defense either criminally or civilly in a shooting incident. I am still responsible and must accept those limitations and risks.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: If your claims are just obvious expressions of your vanity and braggadocio and have no basis in fact, why make them? Because they are not just obvious expressions of my vanity and braggadocio and do have basis in fact.
Percy writes: We all do, but that's no excuse for placing those around you in greater danger, even if you don't care about yourself. Yet you have not shown any evidence that I place those around me in greater danger.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I never quite reached speeds like 150MPH on any of the tracks I drove on but then I also never attempted anything close to that on open roads.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I doubt there have been more than one period when I was without a knife since I began school. I was in the hospital for a couple weeks and then rehap at a nursing home for another couple weeks recently and no guns or knives then. But I did get one of my espresso machines brought to the nursing home.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Percy writes: Maybe you faithfully store your guns securely and no one else has access, and maybe you're always extremely careful, maybe you're a crack shot, maybe you never get sad or crazy and never will, and maybe you never ever forget anything like leaving a bullet in the chamber or forgetting whether the safety's on. Yes Percy, I do store my guns safely and no one else has access to them without stealing the safes and then breaking into them and the ammunition is also stored in separate safes and again, no one has access to them. But being careful is something you train and practice. You ALWAYS assume there is a round in the chamber and you ALWAYS check to make sure a gun is unloaded. You NEVER rely on a safety and most of my handguns do not have safeties and never had safeties. I'm certainly not a crack shot which is why I practice as much as I can. I don't try to be a crack shot but rather a competent shot. And I don't always simply practice alone; I will sometimes have a trainer who stands behind me and directs my actions and times my responses as well as grades the results. Safety is not something added on, it is integral to handgun or long gun ownership. Percy, the issues you raise are all equally valid when it comes to the far more deadly activity called driving. I also practice defensive driving, active accident avoidance, having my car checked regularly to make sure it's safe and in good condition, trying to always stay in lane and below the posted speed limits and never answering the phone or checking text messages while driving or listening to the radio or relying on cruise control. I drive manual transmission cars not automatics and stop on yellow lights. Am I perfect? Nope. A couple decades ago I got a traffic ticket for driving 55mph in a 45mph zone, a short stretch of US 17 where the speed limit dropped and I missed seeing the sign. My fault and I thanked the officer and apologized. But that is my only ticket in 60 years of driving. I have been involved in several accidents but so far in each case it was someone else hit me or was hit by someone else and driven into me. I take safety seriously.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am not all the people with guns in their nightstands Percy. Sorry but I thought you knew that.
Percy writes: This is because the chance of encountering an armed criminal intent on doing you harm is smaller than the chance of your own gun doing someone harm. Yet you have not presented any evidence that my own gun might do someone harm.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I really have no respect for that position and argument. In hunting there is an intent to kill but only in hunting. In self defense my intention is and would never be to kill but only to stop a distinct and immediate threat.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
P&C writes: The fact u can buy fully automatic military guns is just insane really. And from places like 7-11 and Walmart I heard. Thats crazym You heard wrong. No where in the US can you buy automatic weapons without a special license and registration. Fully automatic weapons are not available from Walmart or 7-11 or almost any retail outlet and as I said, not without a pretty hefty license and full Federal background check.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Thank you for bragging about how great you are with guns, but however great your inflated opinions of yourself make you feel they have no relevance to the dangers of guns. Even if true, that one guy in Texas can carry guns safely (however unlikely that is) is a drop in the bucket of the national problem of guns. You really need to stop posting really stupid comments Percy. I have not bragged about how great I am with guns. And yes, I have never said that it has any relationship to any problems in general in the US. Now do you have anything related to what I have posted?
Percy writes: Is it impossible for your guns to discharge and harm someone? Is it impossible for a gun to be taken from you? Is it impossible that you would ever be overcome by sadness, depression, insanity, etc? Is it impossible one of your guns could malfunction? Is it impossible you would ever misjudge a situation and harm an innocent person? And what is the point of carrying a gun if it's impossible it could ever do someone harm? It serves the same function as my car, it is something that provides comfort and protection to me. Someone c ould steal my car and cause harm to someone else. Someone could steal my shoe and cause harm to someone else. And the malfunction possible with a gun is that it does NOT fire. And I train to try to make sure I do NOT harm an innocent person.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ICANT writes: I thought from your conversations that you had professional training in self defense. I don't know of a professional that teaches shoot to wound a person who is pointing a gun at you. Learn to read. Please point out where I said anything about shooting to wound.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ICANT writes: If a person is pointing a gun at you how do you intend to stop him/her without killing them? Are you going to talk him/her to death? I intend to stop the threat. Really, that is it. How the threat stops is up to the person initiating the threat. If a stern talking is sufficient then that is great by me.
ICANT writes: I choose to stay alive and will shoot anyone who starts to point a weapon at me. And I don't need your approval to do so. I too hope to stay alive and to stay unhurt and to not be inconvenienced. There is a difference between military training and civilian training. In the military it is reasonable to train to kill; as a civilian though the emphasis should be on avoiding anyone getting killed. The goal is to avoid the situation where a gun ever gets pointed at you.
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