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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Thanks for making an effort. This is more like the way we operate around here.
creation writes:
Two problems with this one. First, it's not about the actual length of a physical year. Second, it's about the future, not the past.
"Revelation 11:2a-3bThey will trample on the holy city for 42 months. ...And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days Divide 1,260 days by 42 months and you will get a 30-day month. Twelve months of 30 days equals 360-days in a year. What is the meaning of this divine number in contrast with the fact that we know the time required for the earth to circle the sun is approximately 365.25 days? creation writes:
Again, we're talking about an actual physical year, not a made-up "prophetic year".
Daniel 7:25He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time Daniel 12:7The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time" In both Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7, the time given is described as "a time, times and half a time." This is most often interpreted as 3 and one-half years or 42 months. When the prophecy of the 70-weeks is interpreted using the 360-day prophetic year, divine guidance appears to be revealed in human events from ancient history into the 21st century. In each 42-month period foretold, the earth is to be directed by unrestrained evil. The 360-day year makes for a good relationship between the books of Daniel and Revelation. creation writes:
So the calendar that they used was inaccurate. The Julian calendar that was in use until a few centuries ago was also inaccurate. Even the Gregorian calendar that we use today needs to be adjusted every once in a while. Genesis Supports the 360 Days per YearBased on the book of Genesis, the calendar at the time of Noah consisted of 12 months of 30 days. At the beginning of the flood, the water came forth on the 17th of the month. Five months later on the 17th day of the month, the book of Genesis reveals that 150 days had passed. Dividing 150 days by 5 months supports that the early calendar contained 12 months of 30 days length. Therefore, the book of Genesis supports the 360 days per year calculation. Here are the supporting Scriptures. Genesis 7:11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened Genesis 8:3The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days (150 days)the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month (5 months later)the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat The calendar is an attempt to codify the actual physical year. It has nothing to do with the actual length of a physical year. I'm asking for evidence that the actual physical year was 360 days at any time in the past.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
We have ways of measuring the length of a year. We have ways of determining how much the length of a year changes with time. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to adjust our clocks and calendars to keep in step with the cosmos. There is no evidence of a actual physical year of 360 days in the distant past. Just like there is no evidence of a actual physical year of 365.25 days in the distant past. There could not have been a large change in the length of a year without some correspondingly large physical force to change the earth's rotational speed - and that would definitely have left evidence. No evidence of a major change is equivalent to evidence of no change.
ICANT writes:
No it doesn't. ... the Hebrew text of the Bible suggests there was a duration of indefinite existence that light existed without an interruption of darkness.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Nobody said anything about a calendar that God used. We're talking about the calendar used by the people who wrote the Bible. An YOU are not in any position to claim that that calendar was accurate.
You are not in a position to say the calendar God used in Gen was not accurate for that day. creation writes:
But we're talking about the past.
A prophetic year is basically a real year in the future. creation writes:
You don't know how God counts time. You might as well make pronouncements about what the Easter Bunny thinks.
It is also the way God counts time here, since it was that way and will again be that way one day. creation writes:
We have no reason to think that the length of a day was much different at any time during history or that it will change much while humans are still around. Hope you didn't think the 365 day year was here for long.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
We have no reason to think that that is true. The length of the year depends on the rate of the earth's rotation. If the length of a year changed from 360 days to 365 days, there would have to have been some major force to change the rate of rotation. That force would have left evidence. It didn't. So it's reasonable to conclude that the change didn't happen. Both the future and the past have 360 day yearsAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The good news is that I had to learn something to answer your question. So if there was a change in rotation, what evidence would it leave? For example, could it cause plates to separated and subduct and mountain building? According to one website:
quote: By the way, the days are getting longer, so there were more days in a year in the past, not less.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
There's no reason why a pigment can't wash off, as long as it's water-soluble or you have an appropriate wetting agent. A pigment is just "something" that reflects light of a prticular colour. It is pigment so it don't wash off. It has to wear off.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Non sequitur. The fact that we have arbitrary names for certain slices of time does not mean that time is "just a concept". As it turns out, time is a real "thing", which is interwoven with length, width and height. A year is a artificial name given to the duration it takes for the earth to make a complete revolution around the sun.... The length of a year can change.The length of a day can change. The length of duration can not change. The only thing that can change is the length between events in duration. That is the reason time is a concept developed by mankind to measure the duration between events in eternity. It's odd that you think red is a real thing and time is not.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
creation is the one who thinks reality has changed. I'm just saying that we have no reason to think that is true. The number of days in a year has not changed significantly during human history. You do realize mankind is the ones saying how many days are in a year. They are only trying to match reality.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
And that has nothing to do with what I've been discussing. What I am saying is that mankind is the one who determines the length of duration between events in existence. And we devised a pretty good system to do that.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
No, fountains do not have ebbs and flows. There is no indication in the Bible of that. Too bad the founts of the deep had ebbs and flows you may confuse for tides eh?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
"Sea" is a generic term that also applies to oceans. There's no point in making a distinction between them. Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
That's not a distinction.
The distinction being oceans are huge. Seas can be smaller. creation writes:
But even if there was a big land mass surrounded by what we would call an ocean...quote:There was one big body of water - an ocean. creation writes:
When? How? From where?
... a lot more water was introduced to the surface of earth. creation writes:
That's completely unscriptural. It's a fantasy made up by creationists to try to account for the fact that there isn't nearly enough water on earth to cover the mountains. Even assuming, as I do, that the high mountains were caused by post flood mountain building...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I have never argued the other side with you. I corrected you when you said that all of the land was in one place. That is not what Genesis says. You can have one body of water with several bodies of land in it, which is what Genesis describes. I am going to remember that the next time you argue the other side with me.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
If you claim it is scriptural, give book, chapter and verse.
It is not unscriptural to suggest that a lot of upheaval, continental separation along with mountains being pushed up, happened after the time of the flood actually. creation writes:
That's a fairy tale. There were conduits in heaven called windows of heaven. Many think that these transported water from beyond where the stars end (the firmament where stars were placed and made) to earth!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It isn't what I would have you believe; it's what the Bible says. There's nothing in Genesis to suggest that all of the land was in one place. The water was gathered to one place which left some dry land not islands as ringo would have us to believe.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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