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Navy10E
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Message 1 of 414 (92174)
03-13-2004 3:01 AM


All,
I simply want to know everyone's theory on the "Big Bang", how it happened, could it happen, etc. Start it out basicly.
joe

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Navy10E
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Message 3 of 414 (92177)
03-13-2004 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by berberry
03-13-2004 3:15 AM


Because I wanted your opinions. What you believed, not for information. If you were particularly astute, you may have noticed I asked for everyone's theory.
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Navy10E
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Message 5 of 414 (92179)
03-13-2004 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Navy10E
03-13-2004 3:18 AM


Attention all:
I have noticed while looking over this forum, that when a person requests addition information regarding a belief, idea or theory, the first person responds by saying something to the effect of "look it up yourself, you idiot." Last I checked, this was a debate forum. We are here to argue and nitpick with each other. It might be neccisary over the course of a debate (or even to start a debate) to get the "other sides" view of what happened. I thought this was a common occurence when debating. Except for here, it seems. Ok, enough of that stupidity, and say what you think, what you believe, and lets all argue like cats and dogs in peace. Thank you, I'm done venting.
Joe
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Navy10E
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Message 6 of 414 (92180)
03-13-2004 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Darwin Storm
03-13-2004 3:22 AM


And your point is what? I need to read a book to understand your opinions? As far as I'm concerned, there would only be two reasons for that. One, I'm too stupid to "get" what you think. The other: you arn't really sure what you think, so you get a book to think for you.
But yes, I did ask for everyone's opinion. My point still stands.

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Navy10E
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Message 9 of 414 (92183)
03-13-2004 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by berberry
03-13-2004 3:34 AM


I was just trying to get a ball rolling about the Big Bang. Nothing specific. I was even going to allow you all the chances of setting up and defining the argument, which I thought was an advantage to y'all. But since you asked, and I'm such a nice (not to mention good looking) guy, I'll comply. Here's the questions.
How do you get, an entire universe out of nothing/a single atom/matter the size of a period on a page/matter the size of a basketball (depending on how old the books u read are)? Where did that original matter come from?
Not really well organized, but set up in 4 minutes. If you don't like it, you can set up your own thread. I just wanna talk about crap.
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Navy10E
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Message 10 of 414 (92184)
03-13-2004 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Minnemooseus
03-13-2004 3:32 AM


Re: Flashback to high school
Moose,
Point taken.
Joe

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Navy10E
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Message 14 of 414 (92189)
03-13-2004 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 3:52 AM


Raging Toad/Crashing Frog/Whatever,
"'Last I checked, this was a debate forum. We are here to argue and nitpick with each other.'
"Arguing in fun. Nitpicking is bullshit."
You nitpick over what I say, by saying that to nitpick is bull? Wow, that is profound.
"relatively few of us are qualified to explain it (evolution) to you"
Now, why would that be? Say maybe, it takes a Docterate to understand your own beliefs?
Wait a minute, you arn't qualified to explain it to me? If you can't even explain it, it would seem to me you are using faith. You believe something you don't understand. Wow...we both use faith. Funny how litte difference there is between us after all. I have Pastors and Theologans explain the Bible to me, you have Scientists and experts explain what you believe to you.
I understand that you might not be able to explain all of Enstein's theorys to me, but that wasn't what I was asking for, was it? If I recall correctly, I do believe I said "keep it simple" in my first post for that very reason.
"[I]f you already know what Big Bang cosmology says, then why the f*** are you asking us?"
Like I said before, I want to debate it with you. Gosh this is getting redundant. If I wanted to learn, I can take night classes at a local college and the Navy pays for it. I'm all good there. I want to debate though.
Look, I will readily admit that I didn't set up a arguement, go hunt you down and tell you to poke holes in it. I wanted to take it one peice at a time. Slowly, not drown in information spit out to quickly to confirm or absorb. If you don't like it, don't worry about talking to me. I'm far outnumbered on this site (just a noting of facts, not really worried about it) and there are plenty more of you fun people to debate.
Have fun,
Joe

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Navy10E
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Message 15 of 414 (92190)
03-13-2004 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 3:56 AM


Ahh! ok!! Here we go! We are friends agian. I know this will sound stupid, but: Have you ever seen anti-matter? If not, where is it all, and what seperated it from matter?

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Navy10E
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Message 16 of 414 (92191)
03-13-2004 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by berberry
03-13-2004 3:49 AM


Re: Flashback to high school
What? And you've had small "Big Bangs" (would that make it a little bang?) going off in your garage recently?
{ENOUGH OF THE FLASHBACK - LET'S TRY TO HAVE A SERIOUS TOPIC NOW - Adminnemooseus (minnemooseus with maxi admin powers)}
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Navy10E
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Message 17 of 414 (92193)
03-13-2004 4:56 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Navy10E
03-13-2004 4:30 AM


Re: Flashback to high school
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Navy10E
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Message 20 of 414 (92197)
03-13-2004 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 5:40 AM


You have the empty space, that will be soon filled with the universe, just sitting there. Then, nothing is split into matter and anti-matter. Things just don't happen on by themselves. Cause and effect should still apply, right?
Also, does anti-matter have anti-gavity?

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Navy10E
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Message 21 of 414 (92199)
03-13-2004 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 5:51 AM


Thank you for your kind words.
There are Docterates in Theology just as there are Doctorates in the Scientific fields. They can both create better explainations in thier respective fields then you or I. However, that does not mean I trust, or put faith into (I see the two concepts as two sides of the same coin) what they are saying, blindly. Now, we who are not stupid, but neither are we brilliant, can discuss what we know. If you asked me a theological question, I wouldn't say "Read the Bible, figure it out for yourself." I would say, here's how I understand it, "blah blah blah".
Faith isn't a dirty word. We put faith into chairs everytime we sit in them. When I go onboard a ship and we are underway, I put faith into the integrety of that vessel. I mean, it better keep me out of the freakin' ocean! You have faith that the sheer brilliance of those who have developed and outlined the Theories of the Big Bang and Evolution won't lead you wrong.
The flip side of faith is this, whatever you have faith in, has power over you. If that ship had a mind of it's own, and decided to take a tour to the Continental Shelf, it would have the power and there isn't anything I could do to stop it. I'm not sure if you are a free thinker, or a follower, or a mixture of both. I know you are not stupid, so I know this is Cliche', but think for yourself. Evaluate everything. Just because people who are smarter then us think something, doesn't mean we need to think the same thing. Signing out...
Joe
Edit- But to summerize. The leaders of the Evolution/Big Bang/Godless Universe Theorys are who you have your faith in right now. If you want to call it trust, that is fine. Just remember that in the Christian world: To officially "commit the act" of becoming a Christian is to "put your trust in Jesus".
Joe agian
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Navy10E
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Message 25 of 414 (92207)
03-13-2004 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by crashfrog
03-13-2004 7:07 AM


So you are saying that empty space is expanding? Into what? I know that you said you don't care, but when I said space I meant, void of all mass and energy. You are having nothing expand into nothing. Or are you saying that the laws of physics themselves began with, and are expanding with, this initial wave that the Big Bang sent out?
I'm sure you've picked up the fact that I'm in the Military. Another thing that I'm sure is apparent to all...we like to blow things up. I've seen more then one thing blow into several million pieces, and I must say, I kind of enjoyed it. (Job well done, sort of thing. No life was taken, which is a different matter and I would not enjoy at all.) Every time we blast something to kingdom come...I see...no order, no creation. I see a freakin' mess. And that was after we started with some order. (For examply, my sisters doll house was much less orderly by the time I got done with it, in my younger years.) While temporarily ignoring how "nothing" can cool and contract, I want to know: can you point to an example of an explosion putting things together. I mean, science is repeatable after all. So can you repeat even THAT portion of the Big Bang?

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Navy10E
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Message 26 of 414 (92209)
03-13-2004 7:53 AM
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03-13-2004 7:34 AM


What I want to know is if there are anit-matter people living in a anti-matter solarsystem? Could I use anti-matter sun light/radiation as sun screen? And my only serious question in this post:
We believe that Anti-matter has been created in labs. I'm still a lil' unsure of that, but assuming that it is, have we found any naturally occuring anti-matter?

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Navy10E
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Message 33 of 414 (92253)
03-13-2004 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
03-13-2004 2:40 PM


Ok, so what I'm to take from this is that space (that is: physical area devoid of matter and energy) isn't devoid of the laws of nature/physics/etc...therefore you don't consider it empty?
And it's as these laws are expanding with the universe, it is "conquering" space with no laws, and making it space with laws?
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