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Swift Inactive Member |
In recent days a school in California has fiered a teacher and banned documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence just for the fact that the documents mention God.
I would like to know how other people fell about it. As for me i think it is discrimanatory to christians (since the guy who got booted was a christian) and trys to hide the truth about our past and since Im a person who likes to know the truth it seems to not set well with me. But how about you?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
My guess is that it didn't happen as it appears from your description or not at all.
How about some back up and details?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I imagine he is talking about the Cupertino teacher suing the school district. Still much to come out and it will be an interesting case. It appears that the teacher was quotemining various documents and only presenting part of the information. The district did not ban the Declaration (from all I've been able to gather the Constitution was not an issue) and what was questioned was his material on religion.
Here is a link to a Mercury News article on the incident. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
link needs a subscription.
some quotes, or another link perhaps? This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-10-2004 02:28 AM
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berberry Inactive Member |
No it doesn't. Just fill out the form to register, it doesn't cost anything. It's safe; I registered there months ago and they haven't sent me any spam.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
but i'm lazy!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Google, "+cupertino +ban +declaration +school"
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I've noticed that the US Constitution is under attack, but much of what I've noticed is from the White House rather than from some school principal.
There's a discussion of this same situation over at Internet Infidels - it appears that the whole story isn't yet public, but that the teacher was being real selective in what he presented.Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But the US Constitution doesn't mention "God". The Declaration of Independance simply says "Creator."
These aren't Christian documents, in any sense. So I'm not sure how you find it discriminatory to Christians. From your obviously erroneous description I find it rather likely that it didn't happen this way, at all.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 506 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
the frog writes:
The same way that they bitch about us not giving them credit for the invention of human rights... or the blocking of. So I'm not sure how you find it discriminatory to Christians. Hate world. Revenge soon!
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Exactly. The word "God" appears nowhere in the US Constitution, and religion is only mentioned in exclusionary terms. The Declaration of Independence uses the phrase "Nature's God" which is a reference to the Deist philosophy, not the Christian God. The Deist god is by far the most maleable deity there is and makes no judgements on the existence of non-existence of a particluar religion's deities. It would seem that people are starting to believe in the christian right propoganda. The USA was not founded on christianity, it's laws were not derived from christian morals, or country was not even that christian (only about 10% went to church on a regular basis), and most of our founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. Our government was founded on secular ideas and the secular philosophies of the Renaissance, including those philosophies defined by non-christians such as Locke and Voltaire. James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution", was almost anti-christian in his views. Madison viewed the inclusion of religion into government as one of the worst things that America could do. For these reasons, teachers have no reason, politically or religiously, to ban those documents from public schoolrooms.
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Swift Inactive Member |
School Bars Declaration Of Independence | The Smoking Gun
And i found out that it wasint the US Constitution but various state constitutions that was banned. I guess I may have missheard. Plus they banned other documents than what I knew of.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Reading over the complaint it sure sounds like the school is wrong in this. However, I'll have to wait to read the statement of defense.
It has an odd flavour to it to me.
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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5042 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
I'm not sure if I'm reading the case correctly but the last one of their "statement of facts" (page 8) is "this nation was founded on the Judeo-Christian heritage". It would appear that this "fact" in the case is part of California’s History-Social Science Content Standards. If that is true then I fear you may be right.
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