Congress goes off the deep end

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Or is it too much to bash Bush and Co with an important election on the way?

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Heh. Maybe that's it. Maybe they don't like warrantless wiretapping, but it's better than the alternative: gay marriage!

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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They seem to be idealists. Also, a lot of them are whiny pussies.

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Heh. Where I'm from, that pretty much describes conservatives.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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If we have to torture a terrorist to learn the location of a hidden bomb, then torture away.

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Torture is never used to learn the location of a hidden bomb. The numbers of times in all of history where hidden bombs were located by the use of torture can be counted on one hand.Torture has always been a message that those in power send to the powerless to remind them of the actual power relationships.-

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But, we should not go public about the torturing we do. We should keep it hidden to mainain the 'good guys' image.

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Because Democracy cannot survive if we have an informed public.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Plus, some of them have drivers that just look suspicious.

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Yeah, I can relate. I was taking a bus ride in a third world country. You really have to be on guard. On fellow passenger took it on himself to "watch out" for me -- he looked pretty shifty to me.As it turned out, he did a good job watching my back, and even took time to guide me throught the rough neighborhood in which the bus dropped us i the middle of the night.I guess you never know. That's why I say better safe than sorry -- better play it safe and NOT assume someone is "shifty" than be sorry that you violated the rights of an innocent person.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw