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Modulous
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Message 21 of 111 (363280)
11-11-2006 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Jon
11-11-2006 5:13 PM


Tobacco wars
How many times do you hear of people getting kild over "alcohol wars" or "tobacco wars" on the street? Any vodka cartels that you know of? I can't think of any.
I don't know how things are in the States, but here in the UK several drugs are controlled and taxed by the government. Those legal drugs include tobacco and alcohol. Because they are taxed, there still exists a black market for untaxed drugs which are cheaper for the consumer. People inevitably get killed as a result of this.
Example
The difference is at the local businessman level. As it stands, there are no legal protections for the salesman of the illegal drugs. His business concerns are managed purely through market agreements of price and patch etc. If a well funded competitor was to break market agreements and start undercutting another's business - the salesman under attack cannot complain to the monopolies commission. The only recourse is by legislating themselves in a 'black judiciary' of vendettas.
Such things spiral out of control and we get the street level violence we are aware of.
If drugs were legal, there would still be a booming black market trade, just like with alcohol and tobacco now - but it will pale into insignificance in comparison to the legitimate trade and the original black market trade.
And of course - the taxes from the legitimate business can be put into increasing funds for cracking down on the black market to make sure that the business is a risky one to be in as a potential deterrent for those considering making quick and easy money (though as with the example above, large legitimate businesses are often involved directly in their black market equivalent).

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Modulous
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Message 37 of 111 (363371)
11-12-2006 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by kuresu
11-12-2006 2:21 AM


Active chemical
TFC (i think that's the hallucanegenic component, it could also be my bank).
Just a FYI, its THC, Tetrahydrocannabinol
As far as I am aware it is basically impossible to get high of hemp. A good cannabis plant will contain 20-40% THC, whereas hemp will be 0.3% or so. It would be like smoking cotton - you'd probably get a chronic headache and give up long before you got high. And even if you got high, you'd probably be to ill to notice!
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Modulous
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Message 44 of 111 (363418)
11-12-2006 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by jar
11-12-2006 2:54 PM


Re: A brief summary of jars proposed drug plan
First you must understand that the actual manufacturing costs of drugs is almost nothing.
I'm not disputing your position, but I think your case would be bolstered if you put forward some figures here. The crops grown would have to be suitable - if government weed was crappy and horrid, the black market would still thrive as people would be happy to pay money for better quality product. Growing cannabis is nice and cheap if you just plant it and let it go on its way, but how much would fertilization and lighting systems cost? I haven't a clue, so hence my asking.

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Message 54 of 111 (363438)
11-12-2006 5:00 PM
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11-12-2006 4:23 PM


Re: A brief summary of jars proposed drug plan
What effect it has on anything other than the US is a strawman.
If the US becomes the major supplier of drugs world wide, won't that
a) mean it would have to dedicate an enormous amount of land to drug production?
b) cost a fortune in tax payers money?
Surely it affects the US?

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Message 57 of 111 (363443)
11-12-2006 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2006 5:09 PM


Re: Propose Pilot Pot Program Perhaps?
The major difference is male and female. Hemp comes from male plants and cannibus saptiva comes from the female hemp plant and produces buds and THC. In other words, you can't get high whatsoever on a male plant.
You can get high from male plants, but it isn't as good as female plants - it is still worth smoking. Female plants have a much higher yield because they continue to create buds until they are pollinated by a male. As such, cannabis growers have to make sure to separate males and females otherwise their female yield will be reduced as their females start producing seeds instead of buds.
The difference is in what parts are harvested. The stems are tough and fibrous (used for hemp) where as the leaves and buds are THC factories which are smokable.
Plants that are used for hemp production are bred to be tall and more fibrous (so don't have much THC in them), much shorter and bushier varieties are used for getting high.
I agree. I think substituting hemp, which has absolutely no THC in it, over paper makes alot of sense
Manilla hemp has no THC, but cannabis hemp does have THC in it. Its just not particularly smokeable.

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