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PurpleTeddyBear
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From: Brownsburg, Indiana, USA
Joined: 10-22-2006


Message 77 of 111 (363523)
11-13-2006 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2006 11:27 PM


Profit Machine
I apologize this was my first post I attempted to format properly. I am still learning this site.
First let me say anyone who says the government, local law enforcement and individuals are lining there pockets with money from the war on drugs are misinformed, under informed or liars. I can reference numerous other sources if necessary.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/12/1216.html:
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Civil forfeiture allows the government to profit from black market assets through criminal windfall. Billions of dollars in forfeitures are distributed to help create drug enforcement agencies that become special interest groups, dependent on the very black market they are designed to stop.
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During the 25 years of its existence, the "War on Drugs" has transformed the criminal justice system, to the point where the imperatives of drug law enforcement now drive many of the broader legislative, law enforcement, and corrections policies in counterproductive ways. One significant impetus for this transformation has been the enactment of forfeiture laws which allow law enforcement agencies to keep the lion's share of the drug-related assets they seize. Another has been the federal law enforcement aid program, revised a decade ago to focus on assisting state anti-drug efforts. Collectively these financial incentives have left many law enforcement agencies dependent on drug law enforcement to meet their budgetary requirements, at the expense of alternative goals such as the investigation and prosecution of non-drug crimes, crime prevention strategies, and drug education and treatment. In this article we present a legal and empirical analysis of these laws and their consequences. In so doing, we seek to explain why the drug war continues with such heavy emphasis on law enforcement and incarceration, and show the way to more rational policies.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.serendipity.li/wod.html:
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In Rethinking Drug Prohibition Peter Webster also points out that there are multiple factors sustaining the Drug War:
* It's a useful tool for politicians seeking to whip up the electorate.
* It profits the prison industry and even the weapons industry.
* Legalization would threaten the profits of the pharmaceutical industry.
* Legalization would threaten the profits of the tobacco and alcohol indust
Economics of Drug Policy and the Drug War | Drug Policy Facts:
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According to ONDCP, the $18.822 Billion spent by the federal government on the drug war in 2002 breaks down as follows:
Treatment (with Research): $3.587 Billion (19.1% of total)
Prevention (with Research): $2.548 Billion (13.5% of total)
Domestic Law Enforcement: $9.513 Billion (50.5% of total)
Interdiction: $2.074 Billion (11.0% of total)
International: $1.098 Billion (5.8% of total) In other words, $12.686 Billion in 2002 was directed to supply reduction, i.e. law enforcement (67.4% of total), and $6.136 Billion to demand reduction, i.e. treatment, prevention and education (32.6% of.
Property Seizures
Property Seizures for Drugs - Percentage of People who have property seized who are not charged with a crime.
Although this is off topic it MUSTbe considered:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.raiseyourvoice.com/statereport/fallingthrough.pdf
Meth heads have resorted to stealing metal and copper wherever they can find it.
That is less mature than me saying Christianity is the only religion that has used violence. Poor people steal copper too. Although I am not rushing to the aide of meth heads that is too broad a statement to be taken seriously. It is hog-wash. Unless you have some studies I am unaware of.
I can dig up some information. But believe me when I say I do not bullshit. The DEA is hitting up and going after the smaller guys. Local law enforcement (LE) is going after the little guys. Read your paper if you doubt this. Think about it for every major bust you hear about 100 - 500 small ones have happened. I understand larger busts take more time and man power. However, the ratios are unacceptable.
I must also insist you are stopping short of irrational if you feel taking pseudo ephedrine off the shelves is going to slow meth production. This goes back to the previous paragraph. Drug Trafficking Organizations (DTOs) are responsible for well over 50% of this countries meth consumption. These DTOs are out of country- guess where, Meh-e-ko! I assure you the Mexican DTOs are not going to Wal-Mart to purchase otc medication. 10% - 15 % comes from Canada. Canada has no restriction on pseudo ephedrine. 'Super labs' which are labs capable of making over 10 pounds a year are responsible for producing at least 25%. When you are kicking out 10-50 pounds a year of meth the ROI is not justifiable if you reduce pills. When you are a major player in the game you are not going to Wal-Mart either. I would assume at least 10% of instate meth production comes from NH3 labs and not ephedrine as a starting block.
Sorry about that rant. It is winter now. I get sick. When I go to CVS to get my meds I am treated like a criminal without just cause. The cold hard truth remains. Since restriction of products associated with meth manf and education on such products the epidemic has gotten worse. I have briefly outlined why. I am receptive to detail it at a later date as well.
Edited by PurpleTeddyBear, : Still learning

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PurpleTeddyBear
Junior Member (Idle past 6059 days)
Posts: 21
From: Brownsburg, Indiana, USA
Joined: 10-22-2006


Message 102 of 111 (363803)
11-14-2006 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by RickJB
11-13-2006 4:03 AM


Re: Profit Machine
I'm aware that the little fish lead to bigger ones.
The govenment has been fishing with a rod and real off a dock for little fish since day one of the drug war. Read and understand the links I posted. It is time to go deepsea fishing or end the war.
14 billion dollars a year the 'little fish fishing'(L.F.F) has been ineffective. What is has done is lined the pockets of a few(re-read my links. . . .)
It is time to change the program. I think it was you NJ who noted a recent decline in meth use in his town. This is great news. However, I am concerned with the over all impact. FYI drug use has never remained 'static' it always has peaks and valleys based on many factors.
Drug use, abuse and violence are on the rise not decline. LFF is not working. It is making a select few rich is it time for a drastic change. Legalize for a few years, not forever, take some notes and compare the data. Become part of the solution or stay out of the solutions way.
In short if it is broken fix it. Fix it by trying something new. The insane is the one who does the same thing over and over and expect diferent results(no quantum physic cracks - please?)

We are born, we live then we die.

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