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Author Topic:   Disagreeing with laws and upholding laws and arguing they should be upheld
molbiogirl
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Message 48 of 79 (442066)
12-19-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by ringo
12-18-2007 8:36 PM


I'm here, Ringo.
What I thought molbiogirl was saying, and what I was agreeing with, was that the state is justified in upholding the law by laying a fetal-homicide-type charge.
That is exactly what I was saying, Ringo.
The state has a responsibility to uphold the law. The citizens have a responsibility to challenge unjust laws, by appropriate means, but that doesn't impinge directly on the specific case.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately, some states have chosen to ignore inconvenient laws, rather than go to the trouble of changing them.
To wit: The domain name dumblaws.com is for sale.
I argued (in a different thread) that a law that isn't prosecuted, despite ample opportunity, is null and void (the essence of my argument with Rrhain re: body mod).
The fact that "fetal homicide" is being prosecuted, on a regular basis, in 37 states, put it in an entirely different category.
Women have also been charged or jailed for murder for experiencing a stillbirth after refusing a caesarean section, or just from suffering a stillbirth. The worst offender is South Carolina, where between 50 and 100 pregnant women with drug abuse problems have been arrested under its fetal homicide law, even though they had virtually no access to drug treatment programs.
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molbiogirl
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Message 51 of 79 (442265)
12-20-2007 5:07 PM
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12-20-2007 5:04 PM


Re: I'm here, Ringo.
I suggest you direct any further comments to Ringo.

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molbiogirl
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Message 54 of 79 (442301)
12-20-2007 5:51 PM
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12-20-2007 5:45 PM


Re: I'm here, Ringo.
Two mature people should be able to handle this exchange without anger.
H, I've said it before, I'll say it again.
I have no desire whatsoever to discuss anything with you.
I let 2 threads that I started die rather than engage you in a debate.
Finis.

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
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Message 58 of 79 (442333)
12-20-2007 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
12-20-2007 6:02 PM


Just FYI, Ringo.
Currently, at least 37 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin. At least 15 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or post-fertilization).
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Legal challenges to these laws, arguing that they violate Roe v. Wade or other U.S. Supreme Court precedents, have been uniformly rejected by both the federal and the state courts, including the supreme courts of California, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.
Maryland, Maine, New Mexico, North Carolina and South Carolina have chosen to prosecute ONLY women for fetal homicide (with the exception of this Patel character). There have been 5 prosecutions in Canada, too.
Furthermore, in 2004 , the Unborn Victims of Violence Act was passed.
The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), 1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) 919a (Article 119a).

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