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Author Topic:   What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
Wounded King
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Message 202 of 301 (436681)
11-27-2007 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Larni
11-27-2007 5:21 AM


A secular state building hospitals is not the same as an Atheist endowing a hospital as Larni obviously means, did you mean that Nye Bevan was an atheist? I mean nowadays you can hardly throw a brick in the house of commons without hitting someone wanting to talk about their faith, and certainly not if you aimed it at the cabinet benches.
TTFN,
WK
P.S. I don't recommend throwing bricks in the house of commons, in todays troubled times you are likely to be shot.

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Wounded King
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Message 276 of 301 (437529)
11-30-2007 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Hyroglyphx
11-30-2007 11:45 AM


Re: Who is misreading?
Can it, and still make sense? If evolution is an unguided process, yet God had in mind humans all along, then either evolution is not an unguided process but rather a guided one, or there was no evolution in the manner described by evolutionary biologists. If those answers are unsatisfactory, I suppose the only one left is, there is no God.
How can you know what God had in mind? Did he require two legs? two eyes? two arms? Perhaps all God had in mind was something able to develop a sufficient degree of consciousness and self-reflection, and maybe he just knew enough about the probabilities involved to create a large enough universe that what he wanted was bound to arise at least once.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 278 of 301 (437539)
11-30-2007 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Hyroglyphx
11-30-2007 12:48 PM


Re: Who is misreading?
If God purposed anything, then He controls the direction.
If I drop a marble on top of a hill very smoothly sloping down at the crown with a more uneven bumpier slope down in all directions am I controlling the path that marble takes? Certainly the marble is going to go down and eventually reach the foot of the hill but the path it takes and where around the foot of the hill it ends up is something I am not controlling at all, OK for arguments sake I could spin the marble a little or drop it a bit off centre but it will still largely find its own path.
It is the drunkards walk argument SJ Gould made to explain increasing complexity again. If you start of with something very very simple, ideally the simplest thing possible, then a random walk absolutely must take you into more complex realms.
TTFN,
WK

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