Prostitution-what to do

Bullshit.Now, answer my questions:What is ugly?What is attractive?And a new question:Ever heard the word 'bangable'?Jon

Hey jar,Did you remember the part where you said 'Having sex for money is Jon's dream job.'? I know I sure don't. Perhaps Schraf would be so kind as to point it out to both of us.I don't know about you, man, but I don't like ti when people put words into my mouth.Jon

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Its surely a cycle of despair for them and means to an end, not something they do to "bring joy and pleasure to so many."

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Yes, it certainly could. My point is, though, prostitutes aren't prostitutes because it makes them all misty-eyed by getting off some guy's jollies. They do it because they want/need money. If they were out there for charitable deeds, they would simply do it for free-- in which case, that wouldn't be prostitution.

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But its costly on their well-being.

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Why belabor the obvious? The OP has already said it best that prostitutes generally come from less than desirable backgrounds, where they find themselves pigeon-holed into a job where they are mere objects of sexual desire.You can't, in one instance, say that you are an advocate for women's rights, protecting them from the pitfalls of male sexual domination, and then in the next moment, be all for prostitution which exploits women for one reason-- their bodies.So it seems we have a bit of a dichotomy here. Which one is preeminent, women's rights, or prostitution?

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"God is like the sun. You can't look at it. But without it you can't look at anything else." -G.K. Chesterton

What, are you kidding? Or just ignorant?You've never heard of these infant studies?

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The researchers found that the babies looked longer at attractive faces than at unattractive ones, regardless of their mothers' looks. Seventy-one percent looked longer at the attractive faces in the contrasting pairs, while 62 percent gazed longer at attractive pairs of faces than at unattractive ones.

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It's well-known that a great deal of our preferences for physical beauty are present even in infants, which suggests that cultural standards play a much smaller role than "the whole thing", which I imagine is what you were thinking. Asymmetry. Symmetry and health.Indeed, if we can smell symmetry the case seems pretty strong that biology, not just culture, is a determining factor in what we find attractive.Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

Once again you have shown why the Christian Cult of Ignorance is so successful, folk like you just can't read.Please get someone to read that message to you slowly. Ask nicely and they will even get out the fat crayons for you.

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Again, so are a myriad other professions. Well, I think you misunderstand the women's rights advocates here. Being a male feminist and an advocate for women's rights, I'd say that I am against force prostitution but have no opinion on prostitution by choice. I'd certainly encourage people against it. But if some want to be prostitutes, good for them. If some don't want to be prostitutes, good for them. Part of being a women's rights advocate is to refrain oneself from having an opinion on everything about everything.NJ, just because I don't support putting women in chains doesn't mean I believe they should rise up and kill off all the men. Well, in some cases I see no conflict. What if a woman, out of her own free will, wants to be a sexual object? Isn't it hypocritical of me to say that I support women's rights and then turn around and put them in jail for doing something they want to do?

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Well, I guess I did miss that part.

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Why belabor the obvious? The OP has already said it best that prostitutes generally come from less than desirable backgrounds, where they find themselves pigeon-holed into a job where they are mere objects of sexual desire.

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But I don't understand what your point is? But if you are discouraging women away from prostitution, then you must surely recognize that it is detrimental for them to engage in such activities. I would certainly not physically incapacitate a woman, or a man for that matter, who was trying to engage in prostitution. I will allow them to make the mistake if they were set on it. But I'm certainly not going to advocate it.But allow me to put it in another context. Which kind of friend would you rather have?Somebody that never speaks up when they see something adverse in your life-- somebody who will avoid telling you how it is because they don't want to rock the boat? Or somebody who cares enough about your well-being to tell you the truth, even at the risk of hurting your feelings?Though the latter may be more painful initially, its only temporal. Whereas, choosing the former is painless in the beginning, but can often lead to a lifetime of emotional, physical, or psychological pain.I'd choose the friend who told me the truth; political correctness be damned. What?Who said anything about putting women in chains? Why do the choices you offer have to be so extreme? Then you must surely be against current statutory rape laws by the same rationale. Nobody endeavors to be a prostitute. No little girl says, "When I grow up, I want men to pay me for sex." It just doesn't happen. Women that become prostitutes are often strung out, have emotional problems, were mistreated much or most of their lives, etc, etc. By going into a union with them, you are advocating and condoning their lifestyle. You are compounding their problems, not mitigating them.Lastly, much of the women's rights movement in the 70's, 80's, and 90's were against porn shops, strip clubs, prostitution, etc, because it exploited women. Just because somebody chooses to do something of their own volition, doesn't mean that they weren't coerced or manipulated into it. And it certainly doesn't mean that just because they willfully chose it, that its somehow good for them.The porn industry is all about that, and the traditional feminist movement abhored it.But, somewhere along the line, there has been a divergence. Now, many feminists see sex as a tool used to empower themselves in order to rise up against the heel of male-oriented dominance.Which feminist group do you identify with? The former or the latter? Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typos

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"God is like the sun. You can't look at it. But without it you can't look at anything else." -G.K. Chesterton

Maybe you will answer the question that I asked Schraf:

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Might one person find your ugly customers to be hotter than sin?

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You don't have to answer, I'm just wondering where your stance is; I haven't been paying much attention to what your position has been in this thread.Thanks,
Jon

And I suppose it's your job to protect others from their own judged-by-you-to-be self-destructive behaviour?

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And it certainly doesn't mean that just because they willfully chose it, that its somehow good for them.

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I suppose by the same rationale that you'd accuse me of "judging" my son if I told him not place his hand over a hot stove. Is telling another person you see caught up in self-destructive behavior, judging them or loving them?If so, should I also suppose that you are judging me on how I judge another's character? If this be the case, then I and everyone else is being judged by each other everytime we log onto EvC.Or, should I have another theory. And this inspiration for this comes from Nietzsche who coined the phrase, "Umwertung aller werte," which means, the transvaluation of values."If I say something that you take to be a moral pronouncement on my part, you may find yourself trying to become the very antithesis to my values simply because of your contempt for Judeo-Christian ideals.But all this aside, do you think prostitution is a healthy career path for a man or a woman?

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[i]"I marvel that where the ambitious dreams of myself and of Alexander and of Caesar should have vanished into thin air, a Judean peasant”- Jesus ”-should be able to stretch his hands across the centuries, and control the destinies of men and nations." -Napoleon Bonaparte

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she would see that they were obviously written tongue in cheek.

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Or, rather, they are written in a flippant way in order to avoid addressing any arguments substantively.

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I agree that much of what has been set against you is pretty ridiculous. Hopefully you haven't found what I've been saying to be equally ridiculous.

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No, not at all. Our positions are very close, I think.

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I've never known Jar to be a person of nuance.

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I really did LOL when I read that.

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9 out of 10 times the men and women who offer these services are destitute and looking for money to support an ever-increasing drug habit.

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That's only true in places where prostitution is illegal.

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Bullshit.

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No, it isn't.Crashfrog already explained your ignorance of research into what humans find attractive.

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Now, answer my questions:

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What is ugly?

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Assymetry

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What is attractive?

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Symmetry and health.

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And a new question:

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Ever heard the word 'bangable'?

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Not really.Now, please indicate that you have corrected your misunderstanding regarding what people find attractive.If you don't, please explain to me why I should continue conversing with someone who refuses to admit when he is uninformed or mistaken?