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Author Topic:   Arrogance of Elitism
onifre
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Message 8 of 126 (483679)
09-23-2008 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
09-23-2008 2:32 PM


Mike the Wiz writes:
The Creationist says;
" Dear atheist, I know you are the scientific one, and I am just a poor, pathetic, unknowledgeable little git who doesn't know the difference between his arse and his elbow. If I verily will sacrifice a bull to your overlarge ego, and agree with your every scientific whim, then please doest not slaughter me before my peers. "
...the atheists responds:
"Stop being a condescending little bitch, read a few science books, ask questions, listen to the answers and quit trying to sound like the victim."*
*Assuming of course that the atheist responding is me.
Edited by onifre, : spelling

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 19 of 126 (483833)
09-24-2008 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
09-24-2008 10:01 AM


Re: Elitism's Dilemma
Buzsaw writes:
If the time comes when perhaps you can come up with a new line other than, "we don't know," when it comes to things like where all energy, matter and forces came from relative to the BBT and the LoT which says no energy is created or destroyed, then you might begin making sense to logical folks like Buzsaw.
Lets see if we can't correct your little tirad to sound more logical...
Should read...
"If the time comes when perhaps the highly intelligent physicist, who are directly working on the cosmic questions, can see fit to dumb-down their theories so that lesser educated simple folk like myself can understand it...we, I, Buzsaw, would be most grateful. As for now, the science behind cosmology is way over my head. I will no longer reveal my ignorance by pretending I understand any of these theories, nor will I presume that if I can't understand it, it does not mean the theory is wrong, it just means that I need to be better educated on the subject. I sincerely hope that I have not offended any of the physicist on this site who have tried so hard to help me, and I'll retreate to my books and ask questions when needed. My apologies --Buzsaw"
What do you think Buz...better?

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Posts: 4854
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Message 24 of 126 (483892)
09-24-2008 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
09-24-2008 1:49 PM


Re: Elitism's Dilemma
Buzsaw writes:
Hi Onifre. I have quite high regard for your contributions here at EvC.
I thank you sir.
I have emboldened your signature quote to say that what is considered scientifically blasphemous to today's physicist elitists may end up as truth in some tomorrow future period.
Well, considering that people like cavediver or straggler are just simply trying to explain laws of physics to you, I don't think that would qualify them as being blasphemous. Perhaps you just aren't grasping the physics behind what they are explaining, or maybe you're just conceptualizing it incorrectly. I have read, and stayed with, your entire 10 page thread. From an outside perspective you just don't seem to understand what everyone was trying to explain to you and held to some pretty wrong ideas about space.
That debate is a dandy example of elitist arrogance, imo.
Even if that were so, it does not change the fact that your theory is incorrect in it's concept of how spacetime works. If your only argument is that they should have been more gentle, I can assure you you will get no sympathy fom me. Showing bullheaded ignorance does not say much for you either Buz.
They consider their POV as absolutely empirical,
Yes Buz but it's not their PoV, you see thats where you're confussing things a bit. What they are explaining pertains to General Relativity, GR is a law of physics. I am currently a first year physics student, so trust me I understand that the information is overwhelming. But, there is nothing wrong in admiting ones limits in any field of study. We are not born knowing therefore no one is expected to just know everything. If you showed some humility on the subject of physics and GR, perhaps they would be less arrogant, then again maybe not, but at least you'd have a better grasp of the physics behind spacetime.
Just my humble opinion...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Posts: 4854
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Message 27 of 126 (483964)
09-25-2008 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
09-24-2008 8:58 PM


Re: Elitism's Dilemma
Buzsaw writes:
If you read carefully, hopefully you will see that I was saying that what physicist elitists consider as scientifically blasphemous i.e. not scientific, may be found to be truth in the future.
Ok. Then my reponse would be that the reason they consider it blasphemous is because you are attemting to overturn laws in physics with nothing more than assertions about space. Hence their feelings of contempt towards you.
Original blasphemy was the disagreement with alegations about the nature of the world. The laws in physics are NOT alegations, they are tried and tested and confirmed to be Laws in nature. To go against these laws does not make you out to be an intellectual rebel of sorts like Galileo for example, it makes you look ignorant because you are only confussing what you think you understand about spacetime.
But we live to battle another day and I'll look forward to you defending, or rather trying to defend, your definition of sTrAiGhT again.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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