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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 307 (424630)
09-27-2007 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Percy
09-27-2007 3:47 AM


Re: Reply to LindaLou
Percy writes:
I do not have a medical background and have very little interest in reading reports from clinical studies.
Many of the alternative practitioners are very interested in the reports from clinical studies. For example Dr Julian Whitaker who has the largest alternative health care facility in the nation refers continually to these studies in his practice and in his radio programs with Deborah Ray.
How can you debunk alternative methodology as you seem to be doing in this topic when you're not interested in the clinical studies?
What is a clinical trial? It is a research study in which a treatment or therapy is tested in people to see whether it is safe and effective. The information learned from clinical trials helps to improve health care and to keep people healthier. Researchers also conduct clinical trials to find out which treatments are more effective than others.
The results from trials can also contribute to our understanding of diseases and conditions--for example, how a disease progresses or how it affects different systems in the body.
Clinical trials are also called medical research, research studies, or clinical studies. Each trial follows a protocol--a written, detailed plan that explains why there is a need for the study, what it is intended to do, and how it will be conducted. The protocol is written by the trial's principal investigator (the person who is in charge of the trial).
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Buzsaw
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Message 124 of 307 (425733)
10-03-2007 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Percy
10-03-2007 7:56 PM


Re: The Inherent Problems of Alternative Medicine
Percy writes:
I think the Wikipedia article on naturopathy sums it up pretty well:
Wikipedia writes:
With only a few exceptions, most naturopathic treatments have not been tested for safety and efficacy utilizing scientific studies or clinical trials. There is a concern in the scientific and medical communities that these treatments are used to replace well-studied and tested medical procedures thereby endangering the health of the patient.
1. Deborah Ray, Dr. Julian Whitaker, MD of the Whitaker Wellness Clinic whom my wife and I listen to along with other guest practitioners, weekdays for an hour a day continually cite clinical trials/studies.
2. The difference is that the mainstream medical establishment and the FDA, even after doing clinical trials allow for thousands of deaths and adverse side effects resulting from the powerful pharms and treatments which they administer which have shown to be dangerous to the health and welfare of the patients.
3. Your citing of one 20 year old case regarding the Christian Scientist youth is interesting in view of the fact that scores of thousands die each year from the powerful pharm drugs administered alone. Btw, the alternative healthcare science knowledge has mushroomed over the past 20 years, advancing at a much higher rate than standard healthcare. Doug Kaufman who has many knowledgeable naturopath healthcare guests on his show has also cited clinical trials as well as some of his guests. We watch his show, "Know The Cause" regularly on Dominion Broadcasting via the Liberty University channel.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 131 of 307 (425851)
10-04-2007 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by JavaMan
10-04-2007 7:42 AM


Re: Escorbic Acid
My understanding about isolated ascorbic acid is that the bowel tolerance of it is lower due to the absense of buffers found in the natural and the natural properties which slow the metabolizm so as to make it more assimilative. The Maximum Living C product we take has bioflavinoids and other beneficial bioactive ingredients in it for this purpose and to increase it's effectiveness. It's not cheap like some of the over-the-counter ones but cost effective due to it's superior quality. I'm sure there are other good ones out there as well.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 301 of 307 (427683)
10-12-2007 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by nator
10-12-2007 10:12 AM


Re: Statistical Bias
nator writes:
........all drugs powerful enough to have a positive effect are powerful tenough to have a negative effect as well. That's what those inserts that come with your prescriptions (and are conspicuously absent from most herbal drugs) very explicitly state.
1. The powerful positive effect is what sells powerful un-natural drugs foreign to the body which, unlike many naturopath products, make you feel better quickly on the short haul but if not continued leave you on the ropes in worse condition than when you began treatment with your body coping with the negative adverse side effects of the chemicals foreign to the body's ecosystem.
2. Often herbal and wholistic remedies which detoxify the bad stuff out of the body's ecosystem have the immediate effect of making you feel worse due to the detoxification as the depressive and toxic junk within you cells and organs etc begin to surface so as to be eliminated. This is why many who simply try these alternatives on the short haul become discouraged and opt out, badmouthing all wholistic remedies as quakery. My brother in law who died early of diabetes complications was a good example of this. He briefly tried a good natural barely green product and it's detoxifying effect surfaced some mild rashing on his arms so instead of reducing the amount as we advised he debunked it and refused to listen to any other wholistic advice. Of course he told all his friends how useless and dangerous a natural green herbal product allegedly is. Likely the rash was due to the fact that a generous helping of this all natural barley grass AIM BARLEYGREEN which we use regularly produces a goodly amount of vitamin C as well as other good detoxifying nutrients. This man was a physical wreck due to all the junk in his diet along with the perscriptions he was on the immediate effect to him appeared to be negative.
3. After years and decades of abusing ones body one should not look for the illusional silver bullet, but for the wholistic treatment which works to repair all the damaged cells, bones and glands. Don't expect overnight or in a few days to fix what it took a very long period of time to damage.
In summary, conventional medicine often gets patients on expensive products un-natural to the body which give the false felling of wellness on the short haul but on the long haul leave the patient worse off or dead. This silver bullet illusional effect of conventional methodology is what keeps the majority of sick people shelling out $$$ to the coffers of the rich and powerful pharms and conventional medical practitioners.
Wholistic methodology, on the other hand, may have the immediate effect of depression or lack of energy etc but as the system becomes repaired and detoxified the long effect is healing, wellness and more energy etc, etc. If you don't agree, just try a 24 or 48 hour fast on water or even including diluted barley green drink. I can pretty much guarantee that most of us would have a miserable day while on the fast as the body detoxifies, eliminates and repairs. Of course, if you're on pharms, do not even attempt such a fast as the effects could be dangerous due to the body's inability to cope with the powerful chemicals foreign to it's ecosystem.
Having said the above, conventional medicine is very good at repairing injuries, fixing broken bones, wounds and other emergency needs of patients. If my body should get broken up in a wreck or other accident etc I want the services conventional medicine offers ASAP. This is why Dr. Julian Whitaker of the Whitaker Wellness Institute, the largest alternative health care facility in the nation practices integrated healthcare using the best of every methodology, including some effective and less dangerous pharmaceuticals for the wellness of his patients. Whitaker is a regular on Deborah's radio healthytalkradio.com one hour show which we listen to regularly five days a week on our local radio station. You can access these programs live on Ray's website. I guarantee that if you listen regularly you will learn a lot regardless of your health ideology.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 306 of 307 (427710)
10-12-2007 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by purpledawn
10-12-2007 1:32 PM


Re: Do Not Continue
That makes good sense, Purple. Thanks. Perhaps in a couple hours or so you or another admin can do the honors if I'm not online.

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