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Rei
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Message 3 of 23 (71253)
12-05-2003 4:06 PM


... Waiting for a certain creationist author who has a penchant for writing under a pseudonym of the opposite gender to be invoked in a relatively hit and run manner.
In 3... 2... 1....
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"Illuminant light,
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Rei
Member (Idle past 7044 days)
Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 6 of 23 (71266)
12-05-2003 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by :æ:
12-05-2003 4:40 PM


The biggest problem is actually the *increased* (intensely increased) pressure before the water falls - if it is being suspended in the atmosphere, it is adding to the atmosphere's mass. It additionally needs heat to keep it as a vapor, and the higher the pressure, the more heat it needs. Thus, for any measurable fraction of the water to have come from suspended water vapor, Earth would have to be a figurative pressure cooker.
Of course, since creationists haven't started getting into this yet, I'm not going to bring up heat exchange and potential energy issues yet.
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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 13 of 23 (71290)
12-05-2003 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
12-05-2003 7:27 PM


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2. Living creatures lived much longer, implying the climate and other conditions were conducive to such.
It doesn't matter what environment you put a person in, they won't live anywhere close to that long.
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3. No direct sunlight calls for a vapor canopy over the earth. Nobody knows how dense it was or high it would've extended into the atmosphere.
It can't be even remotely a major portion of the flood, or it would have parbroiled everyone alive. And plants... did they evolve to the present diversity of plants that need shade and plants that need sunlight later?
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4. There was considerable underground water which was broken up during flood.
And evidence of exposure of the lithosphere is... where? And this water wouldn't be superheated.... why?
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5. For this to happen, there had to be immense seismic activity.
When the island of La Palma alone collapses, the tsunami it will release should wipe out the entire eastern coast of the United States. *How much* mass displacement are you proposing?
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6. For there to be a canopy and lots of water underground, it is likely that there were no large oceans and they weren't nearly as deep.
7. There were no high, I say high mountains before the flood, so forget 29000' deep water.
Yes. Just 50,000 foot deep chasms that form in the flood over much of the world from catastrphic crust failure with a release of potential energy enough to parboil the planet.
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8. Something had to give below the flood waters with the areas of thin earth crust, especially where the underwater cavaties broke up to emerge with the flood waters.
8. Possibly the oceans water was less salty and present salt water life possibly microadapted to it as it slowly increased in salinization.
That's impressive hyperevolution that you've got there, especially given the number of structures that need to change. And delicate corals managed... how? And the entire reef ecosystems (for which a misplaced starfish alone can wreak havoc) all magically balanced in this superheated megatsunami-laced canyon-carving miles-of-sediment-depositing megastorm right near the surface, and gently set down? I suppose that all land creatures were adapted to the same climate (hey, they all lived on the same ark, and had to travel through the same terrain to get there!), and those had hyperevolution too to be able to handle the diverging climates?
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9. The Poles would've frozen quickly, leaving them with much more ice than is present at them. Huge glaciers would've likely shifted around doing all kinds of mass continental and oceanic excavation in the process. The Oceans would've risen slowly to their present level as the glaciers moved and melted to lower warmer locations. This would give time for creatures to migrate worldwide as they multiplied.
How much time are you allocating for glaciation, and how do you explain evidence of warm climates in between them?
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10. The sun showed brightly enough immediately after the flood to produce a rainbow, so most, I say most of the water formerly upstairs is now downstairs.
Sorry - there aren't huge reserves of water under the earth. Try again.
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Don't ask me to prove it.
I would never ask that, Buz. I would just as you to reason through the evidence and questions raised instead of just leaving.
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