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NosyNed
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Message 7 of 44 (63202)
10-28-2003 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by TrueCreation
10-28-2003 10:18 PM


Well, there are direct measures that it has been constant over long periods of time. In addition, our understanding of the physics gives no way for it to change under earthly conditions so what would you take to be the most likely thing to be true?

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Message 11 of 44 (63222)
10-28-2003 11:34 PM
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10-28-2003 11:16 PM


TC, all the research you are going to try to do has already been done.
The conclusions are very firm even after decades of careful work by lots of people (both believers and not). The earth is old, the flood did not happen.
But so what? That does no damage to the real message of the bible unless you and others choose to allow it to do the damage. The real bible is NOT in danger from science it is in danger from those who try so hard to put it in the path of advancing knowledge. Don't be one of those!

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Message 16 of 44 (63347)
10-29-2003 4:09 PM
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10-29-2003 3:58 PM


I'm not a geophysicist but I think that one reason that those things aren't concerns of the mainstream is that they are falsified, they predict things which didn't or can't occur. Once a hypothosis is shown to be wrong then it isn't given much consideration after that. Not without new information anyway.
Be careful if you plan on introducing even one miracle (decay rate changes). As soon as you do you step outside of science which deals with natural explanations. You may do that as part of your exploration. If you find consequences of your "paradigm shift" to a miraclulous explanation that can be tested then you will really have accomplished something. If you can not test them you will be ignored.
However, as much as you are setting up a test for the scientific explanations you seem to be setting your faith up for a scientific test as well. Why would you want to do that? If after all you research all you can conclude is that what you think your faith is telling you is wrong, what then? You conclusion must be as Galileo pointed out a long time ago. Your interpretation of the Bible is wrong! ( I am assuming that the other possible conclusion -- that the Bible itself is wrong is not acceptable)
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Message 18 of 44 (63484)
10-30-2003 3:36 PM
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10-30-2003 3:23 PM


If they are not concerns of the mainstream community, how can you infer that they have been falsified (ie, they are not concerns, there has been no research, therefore no definite conclusion in their regard).
The point is *no longer* a concern. The path there has been closed off by what is known. It simply doesn't fit.
It appears you are going down this path assuming you will have to invoke a miracle for accelerated decay. If so why don't you just invoke miracles to get rid of excess heat, vicosity problems etc. as well.
As long as you have one "supernatural" explanation left in there you will not be successful in convincing anyone.
Additionally, if you look to the thread here disucssing this you will find you need more than one miracle. If you can use one miralce as an explanation then why not use more?

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Message 22 of 44 (63495)
10-30-2003 5:05 PM
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10-30-2003 4:32 PM


If any miracle can be potentially falsified, bring it on
Of course, this is what is wrong with miracles as an explanation. They can be constructed anyway you like so they can not be falsified. They can explain *any* observation and therefore can explain none of them.
If you want to do science, fine. If not, then I don't care what you have to say.
No, viscosity problem? I guess I've been mislead into thinking that moving the continents at rates 1,000,000 times more than they are presents some problems. Could you explain where that is wrong? I think you could go to the threads for that.
Or is the answer you have now only that more research is needed? If so let's wait till you finish that.
Until you do, the best available explanation is that there is no CPT only the consensus scientific explanation has any reason to be accepted until you have finished with your work.
( I am, btw, not holding my breath )

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