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Author Topic:   Crand Canyon Tracks Were Not Formed During a Worldwide Flood
JediKnight1985
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Message 39 of 100 (20126)
10-17-2002 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Tranquility Base
10-09-2002 9:56 PM


I know I'm a newcomer here, but there's one thing I've noticed. You, Randy, have a propensity to point out the flaws in other people's theories, while ignoring attacks on your own. For example: as you so deftly pointed out many times, sand is transported from one location to another quite readily, by either water or wind. How would sand become hardened if it was not above water, or another layer of sediments? Wouldn't it just blow away? No tracks would remain, if they were made above water! On the other hand, water pressure pressing directly down on sediments the size of sand could compress them in a very short amount of time, leaving tracks.
There is also something else I would like to point out. When you make a footprint in sand, it looks roughly like a footprint, right? Look at it again when it's exposed to a moderate wind for even a few minutes. It doesn't look anything like it did before, does it? Couldn't we be mistaking these footprints of spiders, etc. for tracks of other animals, or even plant fossils? I hate to say it (well, actually, I'm rather enjoying it), but those spider tracks could be nothing more than the tiny imprints left by the sori on the underside of a fern frond!
Later, guys!
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JediKnight1985
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Message 82 of 100 (20808)
10-25-2002 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by edge
10-18-2002 8:10 PM


First off, sand is not only found in deserts, but in many various environments throughout the world (obviously). Second, the comment about the fern in that sometimes (quite often in fact), so-called "clear evidence" is blatantly, though perhaps not intentionally, mistaken for what it really is. Third, as I recall, according to the geologic record supported by evolutionists, much of North America was, at one time, covered by a vast inland sea. In addition, in much of the early eras of the earth (according to the theories you apparently support), much of the earth was swampland and marsh. Don't tell me you've never seen sand or a fern in a marsh. The only conclusion I can make from this is that either the world was not swampy, or that the "tracks" POSSIBLY could have been a fern.
I have no problem with the teaching of evolution, etc. in schools. The problem I have is that other perfectly viable theories are blatantly ignored.
I have two questions for you: are you an atheist? If so, why do you insist on propogating your views? If there is no God, there is no afterlife, so what does it matter to you if I choose to believe something different? I'd really like to know why you do what you do.
Ciao!
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JediKnight1985
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Message 83 of 100 (20812)
10-25-2002 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by gene90
10-17-2002 5:12 PM


What exactly, can be classified as a "depositional environment"? Sediments CAN be deposited anywhere, pretty much, but many places they would not remain stationary long enough to harden.
Very fine sand or clay? Let's assume a spherical shape (or a cube, or whatever). The volume is calculated as length times width times height (dealing with the cube). The volume times the density gives us its mass. Now, we find the surface area on one half of the particle (only one half can be exposed to wind from one direction at any given time), which is guaranteed to be smaller. This measurement is in an approximate proportion to the ability of wind to apply a force to the particle. Now, let's say we cut this cube into eight equal parts, each with exactly half the dimensions of the original. The mass of each is now one-eighth the original mass, but the surface area is only one-fourth! Thus, we conclude that the smaller the particle, the more wind can act per milligram (or whatever unit of mass, etc.) of particle. More wind force = more blowing particles.
I remember from my days on the playground how the dust on the kickball fields would blow madly about with even the slightest breeze. The same wind force acting on the beach by my house would hardly budge a grain or two. Have you ever seen grains of sand floating around your house? Well, I've seen tiny little dust particles doing just that. If the sediments which formed the "tracks" were so small, they would have been quite literally "blown away" by the passage of the (relatively) gigantic spider. But if a stationary object made the "tracks", while being weighed down by water, the dust particles would not have been moved, but rather held in place by the object above.
I don't know about you, but it just doesn't make sense to me that wind has less power on dust than it has on sand.
Adios!
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