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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
simple, we've been over this.
The bible talks of both, and even both together at times, you cannot deny it. where? book, chapter, verse? the simple fact of the matter is that the bible talks of the spiritual in very physical terms nearly all of the time, especially in the earlier books. heaven is a physical place. eden was a physical place, on earth. our spirits/souls are the breath of god, a physical gift of air. hell, sheol is a real place: the ground. you have not once provided any biblical evidence of splits, merged states, or any of this other stuff you seem to have made up.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Mine explained the drastic shift in narrative and focus between the Old and New Testaments - from the harsh, judgemental, legalistic God of the Old to the redemptive, accepting, tolerant God of the New. unfortunately, that distinction is not so clear. the middle christian church, for instance, believed that revelation told of a judging and condemning christ, who would pose as the accuser at the final trial. this image can be found on tons of medieval church doorways. and jews, who are without a new testament, often hold their god to be very forgiving.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You cannot both believe that God created the world and that a pink unicorn farted it into existence. These two stories are mutually exclusive. not if god's a pink unicorn. sorry, i had to.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
This is the point here. With the merging of the two in our past, many things were possible, even the flood. you still have no biblical basis for this.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
and somewhat frustrating.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
that's it, let's formulate pink-unicorn-fart-creationism.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well, the pink-fartists are clearly the right ones, because how can you be invisible AND have a color?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i suppose you might have a point, because otherwise we'd probably SEE some of these pink farts. so i guess they have to be invisible too.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I can say that it is no more nonsensical than anything else said in this thread regarding the topic. quite.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Jesus' risen body was physical, and had spiritual properties as well. like being able to walk on water? raising the dead? multiplying bread and fish? turning water into wine? casting out demons? oh. that's right. he did all of that BEFORE he died.
The things that happened in Eden require a spiritual component as well, beyond all doubt. uh, no. they don't.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Science can still detect them, they leave a trace. so there's more proof pink farting unicorns than god!
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Yes, and believers can now do these things, and greater than these as well! quote: be my guest.
But it was after He arose that He had the Physical and Spiritual body. then how was he able to perform miracles before he died?
It appeared and disappeared, flew up into the sky, and such things no physical body could do. i know of no physical bodies (excluding canadians) who can walk on water.
Absolutely positive and undisputible that they indeed did. Here's one for you God is a spirit the first three chapters of genesis mentions spirits a few times. let's look at them.
quote: quote: hmm, that's it. and i don't even think that last one counts. wrong usage. shall we look at souls?
quote: ok, we all knew that one. how about
quote: quote: quote: hmm, i don't think they're using it the same way you are. (check your concordance if you don't believe me, btw: Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible )
and He planted the garden, as well as made the world it grew in! That require a spirit! yeah. but where's this bit about the laws being different? see, i don't think the ancient hebrews thought of spirits and souls the way you are. "soul" in particular seems be almost a figure of speech. like saying that 11 million souls were lost in the holocaust. it seems to just mean person -- or even animal. and spirit? well, look back at that cool of the day reference, and the genesis 1:2 verse. spirit, you see, is the word for wind. my translation actually renders it that way in 1:2. it's also used to describe breathing (although, oddly not the breath god gives adam, though i suspect it's just use of a synonym). so, soul = living thing, and spirit = wind/breath. now, care to show me where this whole spirit-world/physical-world dichotomy/joining goes on? or where this spirit world even EXISTS in genesis?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
So you don't believe the bible, so what? neither do you, simple. you believe that you think you know what it says -- and you're wrong. you're buying into a belief that is totally without biblical support. don't bother pretending otherwise.
Your lack of ability to detect the spiritual that was present does not doom all men to a ball and chain to this same prison. i submit as evidence song lyrics, because i'm in an especially emo mood today for some reason. this is from a song by a band/person called vast, who is quite obviously a christian by some of his songs.
quote: think about it, it's a good point. what else do we need? hasn't our god provided for us?
The fantasy stuff you realize that pink unicorn fart bit was poking fun at your fantasy stuffs, right?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Miracles, salvations, answered prayers and such have been repeated milenia before modern science even existed. science pre-dates christianity. sorry. heck, it turns out the ancient greeks had calculus.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
you know, making stuff up is all well and good, but i can do it too.
our pink-fart religion says it goes back 13 trillion years, which has you beat by a long time.
The greeks were a modern culture almost, compared to that! christianity did not pre-date christ. this is pretty simple logic. the people who were around before jesus that believed similar things were called jews. and egypt's still older than your entire fundi universe.
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