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arachnophilia
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Message 45 of 317 (221914)
07-05-2005 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by simple
07-03-2005 3:21 PM


Re: back to the garden
simple, we've been over this.
The bible talks of both, and even both together at times, you cannot deny it.
where? book, chapter, verse?
the simple fact of the matter is that the bible talks of the spiritual in very physical terms nearly all of the time, especially in the earlier books. heaven is a physical place. eden was a physical place, on earth. our spirits/souls are the breath of god, a physical gift of air. hell, sheol is a real place: the ground.
you have not once provided any biblical evidence of splits, merged states, or any of this other stuff you seem to have made up.

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Message 46 of 317 (221915)
07-05-2005 2:28 PM
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07-04-2005 9:13 PM


Re: back to the garden
Mine explained the drastic shift in narrative and focus between the Old and New Testaments - from the harsh, judgemental, legalistic God of the Old to the redemptive, accepting, tolerant God of the New.
unfortunately, that distinction is not so clear. the middle christian church, for instance, believed that revelation told of a judging and condemning christ, who would pose as the accuser at the final trial. this image can be found on tons of medieval church doorways.
and jews, who are without a new testament, often hold their god to be very forgiving.

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Message 91 of 317 (223859)
07-15-2005 4:19 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Parasomnium
07-15-2005 4:12 AM


Re: make it go away, mommy
You cannot both believe that God created the world and that a pink unicorn farted it into existence. These two stories are mutually exclusive.
not if god's a pink unicorn. sorry, i had to.

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Message 92 of 317 (223860)
07-15-2005 4:23 AM
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07-09-2005 4:31 PM


merging is something i do getting onto the highway
This is the point here. With the merging of the two in our past, many things were possible, even the flood.
you still have no biblical basis for this.

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Message 93 of 317 (223861)
07-15-2005 4:25 AM
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07-08-2005 1:49 PM


Re: wasting time
and somewhat frustrating.

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Message 95 of 317 (223882)
07-15-2005 8:01 AM
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07-15-2005 4:50 AM


Re: make it go away, mommy
that's it, let's formulate pink-unicorn-fart-creationism.

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Message 97 of 317 (223888)
07-15-2005 8:49 AM
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07-15-2005 8:43 AM


Re: Pink be thy farts.
well, the pink-fartists are clearly the right ones, because how can you be invisible AND have a color?

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Message 99 of 317 (223895)
07-15-2005 9:19 AM
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07-15-2005 8:57 AM


Re: Pink be thy farts.
i suppose you might have a point, because otherwise we'd probably SEE some of these pink farts. so i guess they have to be invisible too.

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Message 106 of 317 (223979)
07-15-2005 5:19 PM
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07-15-2005 9:56 AM


Re: Pink be thy farts.
I can say that it is no more nonsensical than anything else said in this thread regarding the topic.
quite.

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Message 107 of 317 (223980)
07-15-2005 5:20 PM
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07-15-2005 12:54 PM


Re: merging is something i do getting onto the highway
Jesus' risen body was physical, and had spiritual properties as well.
like being able to walk on water? raising the dead? multiplying bread and fish? turning water into wine? casting out demons?
oh.
that's right.
he did all of that BEFORE he died.
The things that happened in Eden require a spiritual component as well, beyond all doubt.
uh, no. they don't.

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Message 108 of 317 (223981)
07-15-2005 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by simple
07-15-2005 12:51 PM


Re: Pink be thy farts.
Science can still detect them, they leave a trace.
so there's more proof pink farting unicorns than god!

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Message 113 of 317 (224036)
07-16-2005 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by simple
07-15-2005 8:51 PM


Re: merged it was
Yes, and believers can now do these things, and greater than these as well!
quote:
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
be my guest.
But it was after He arose that He had the Physical and Spiritual body.
then how was he able to perform miracles before he died?
It appeared and disappeared, flew up into the sky, and such things no physical body could do.
i know of no physical bodies (excluding canadians) who can walk on water.
Absolutely positive and undisputible that they indeed did. Here's one for you God is a spirit
the first three chapters of genesis mentions spirits a few times. let's look at them.
quote:
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
quote:
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
hmm, that's it. and i don't even think that last one counts. wrong usage. shall we look at souls?
quote:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
ok, we all knew that one. how about
quote:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
quote:
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
quote:
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
hmm, i don't think they're using it the same way you are. (check your concordance if you don't believe me, btw: Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible )
and He planted the garden, as well as made the world it grew in! That require a spirit!
yeah. but where's this bit about the laws being different? see, i don't think the ancient hebrews thought of spirits and souls the way you are. "soul" in particular seems be almost a figure of speech. like saying that 11 million souls were lost in the holocaust. it seems to just mean person -- or even animal.
and spirit? well, look back at that cool of the day reference, and the genesis 1:2 verse. spirit, you see, is the word for wind. my translation actually renders it that way in 1:2. it's also used to describe breathing (although, oddly not the breath god gives adam, though i suspect it's just use of a synonym).
so, soul = living thing, and spirit = wind/breath.
now, care to show me where this whole spirit-world/physical-world dichotomy/joining goes on? or where this spirit world even EXISTS in genesis?

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Message 114 of 317 (224037)
07-16-2005 5:00 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by simple
07-16-2005 12:12 AM


what else do i need?
So you don't believe the bible, so what?
neither do you, simple. you believe that you think you know what it says -- and you're wrong. you're buying into a belief that is totally without biblical support. don't bother pretending otherwise.
Your lack of ability to detect the spiritual that was present does not doom all men to a ball and chain to this same prison.
i submit as evidence song lyrics, because i'm in an especially emo mood today for some reason. this is from a song by a band/person called vast, who is quite obviously a christian by some of his songs.
quote:
They're racing to a prison
They will never leave
Worshipping a system
I just don't believe
I could stay right here
And never ever leave
What else do I need?
think about it, it's a good point. what else do we need? hasn't our god provided for us?
The fantasy stuff
you realize that pink unicorn fart bit was poking fun at your fantasy stuffs, right?

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arachnophilia
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Message 115 of 317 (224038)
07-16-2005 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by simple
07-15-2005 8:58 PM


Re: The empirical strikes -out
Miracles, salvations, answered prayers and such have been repeated milenia before modern science even existed.
science pre-dates christianity. sorry.
heck, it turns out the ancient greeks had calculus.

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Message 132 of 317 (224178)
07-17-2005 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by simple
07-16-2005 1:53 PM


Re: We were first
you know, making stuff up is all well and good, but i can do it too.
our pink-fart religion says it goes back 13 trillion years, which has you beat by a long time.
The greeks were a modern culture almost, compared to that!
christianity did not pre-date christ. this is pretty simple logic. the people who were around before jesus that believed similar things were called jews.
and egypt's still older than your entire fundi universe.

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