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ringo

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Message 28 of 62 (391052)
03-23-2007 11:10 AM

Reply to: Message 26 by CTD
03-23-2007 9:20 AM

CTD writes:

Even if only one print is legit - even if only the cat print is, it says a lot.

Does it?

The dinosaur/human time line is well established all around the world. There is a gap of millions of years.

Given that evidence, how could any "human" print found in the same layer as a dinosaur print be unequivocally "legit"? At the very most, it would be a head-scratcher, not a deal-breaker.

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Message 33 of 62 (391203)
03-23-2007 7:50 PM

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03-23-2007 6:34 PM

CTD writes:

Would you also classify Michelson-Morley as a "head scratcher"?

I don't see why. Hasn't it been verified time and again, experimentally, theoretically, mathematically?

One out-of-place footprint is on nowhere near that solid ground.

But if I were actually present when the thing was discovered, I'd have a pretty hard time dismissing it.

That's not a very good standard of evidence.

Rather than being there myself, I'd want to see verification that it was a genuine human print, that there was no possibility of tampering, that the layer was the same age as the dinosaur-print layer (provided it could be measured directly)....

Then, if it could be established that there was a human footprint the same age as a dinosaur footprint, the question would be: How could it happen?

At no point in the process would the evolution-is-wrong scenario crop up.

Not all agree with your opinion. RAZD seems to think otherwise.

I don't think I disagree with RAZD. Can you be more specific?
(Your link doesn't seem to have anything to do with the question.)

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Message 36 of 62 (391362)
03-24-2007 6:57 PM

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03-24-2007 6:24 PM

Re: Thank you

CTD writes:

The point is that some may take a single piece of evidence and assign a lot of value to it. Others may write it off as a "head scratcher".

For the record, RAZD and I agree.

When I said that a single out-of-place footprint would be a "head scratcher", I didn't mean to imply that there's no need to explain it. I meant that we can scratch our heads over it for a good long while, try various plausible explanations and not worry too too much about it. The answer - temporarily - can be "we don't know".

My point was that one out-of-place footprint would have not one iota of effect on the Theory of Evolution. There are lots and lots and lots and lots of potential explanations before "evolution-is-wrong".

One piece of evidence doesn't overthrow millions.

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Message 38 of 62 (391378)
03-24-2007 8:04 PM

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03-24-2007 7:32 PM

CTD writes:

I conclude from history that modern "science" as a whole, does occasionally apply double standards. You are free to disagree.

Okay, I will.

Science works by consensus. You don't get to throw out a whole series of experiments just because one or two produced a slightly different result. The important thing is to explain the variance.

I admit that my vision isn't perfect; but I have a very strong tendency to believe what I see unless there is some reason I shouldn't.

Well, stop doing that.

You can't compare your personal "observations" to repeated observations by multiple scientists, with multiple experiments to test multiple possible explanations. "It looks like a human print to me," is not science.

I don't see much mystery as to how such a thing could happen.

If you don't see much mystery, you'll never discover much. If you don't ask the questions, you'll never find the answers.

Now there is a mystery about what stories would inevitibly be concocted about it to avoid the obvious answer; but that's not my department.

Your "department" seems to be to belittle science at all cost.

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