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Message 23 of 310 (180106)
01-24-2005 3:02 AM
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01-24-2005 2:35 AM


Re: a zillion pounds
Is there no casing (hull) so tough, it could withstand such pressure?
Nothing that fits the known data.
Could there be something, even if we don't know of such a material, we don't know about, you know ufo type strong material?
Theoretically yes, but there is no evidence for its existence.
Is there any known or unknown material that would affect our little wave in such a way, as we might assume it had to be a liquid, when it could actually be something else?
Theoretically yes, but there is no evidence for its existence.
Are we absolutely positive the pressure would be a 'zillion'?
A zillion is an exagerration of course but its going to be a very very very high pressure.
Why precisely must it, if it must?
Simple physics.
Edited to add: I'll make it easier for you to understand. P = F/A
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Message 113 of 310 (180987)
01-26-2005 11:13 PM
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01-26-2005 9:57 PM


Re: voila!!
Now, what we have is a cool earth, with a diamond gyro, and water layer surrounding it. This much unchallenged here, so far, and admitted as possible, in the dense earth.
What is your evidence for this? How is the current model wrong? How is the current evidence explained by your model?

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Message 116 of 310 (180991)
01-26-2005 11:34 PM
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Re: heart transplant successful
Why, are you suggesting something doesn't fit?
What evidence is there for a diamond core? How does your water exist as a cool liquid when its subjected to the intense pressure of being so far under ground? Do you know what pressure is?
edited to add: What is insulating the water from the heat of the layers above it?
I repeat: Why is the old model wrong? What new evidence sugests that the old model is wrong and that your model is right?
The beauty is that it also fits with the bible.
Who cares if it fits with the Bible? It disagrees with the Norse accounts of creation and we all know that the Norse Gods are the true Gods unlike your pretender yaweh. You should pray to Odin lest he smites you. You're never going to get into Valhalla with this heretical view of the Earth.
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Message 119 of 310 (181004)
01-27-2005 1:47 AM
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01-27-2005 1:13 AM


Re: diamond, quartz, garnet
the very fact alone of being under pressre cause it to be hot?
Here is a phase diagram of water. As you can see if you want your water to remain liquid it has to be at a pressure between ~103Pa and ~109Pa and a temperature of between ~260K and ~620K. What is the temperature and pressure of your cool liquid water? Where does it fit on this phase diagram? What evidence do you have that these are the conditions at the core?
why is it you feel that the layer of material closer to the surface must be hot as well?
What are you now disagreeing that the upper layers are not hot? cause you posted this in post #111
we get up close to the surface, where it is still very hot
Seems like you agree that the upper layers are hot. If you are agreeing that the upper layers are hot (and all the evidence that we have says they are) how then is your cool liquid water insulated from the heat of the upper layers?
edited to add: This Should teach you everything you want to know about water.
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Message 121 of 310 (181012)
01-27-2005 3:01 AM
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01-27-2005 2:45 AM


Re: diamond, quartz, garnet
I think you just answered that question?
No I asked you this question. I repeat what is the temperature and pressure of your proposed cool liquid water? What evidence do you have to support these figures? How do these conditions come about at the earth's core? Why does the current evidence not support your proposed model? Why do you keep dodging questions? is it because you don't have the simplest grasp of science?

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Message 129 of 310 (181106)
01-27-2005 12:40 PM
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01-27-2005 4:05 AM


Re: diamond, quartz, garnet
Which one would that be?

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Message 143 of 310 (181163)
01-27-2005 5:44 PM
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01-27-2005 5:33 PM


Re: 'old' habits die hard
Yes some other planets are theorized to have diamond cores. Do you understand the difference between these planets and Earth? Do you understand how these differences might allow a diamond core in those planets and disallow one here?
edited to add: What evidence do you have that suggests that Earth has a diamond core?
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Message 158 of 310 (181214)
01-27-2005 11:42 PM
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01-27-2005 6:12 PM


Re: quantum freak
So you're not going to answer any of the questions that I put forward in post #143 and you're just going to continue to dodge them.

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Message 165 of 310 (181223)
01-28-2005 12:37 AM
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01-28-2005 12:18 AM


Re: quantum freak
Here, as a creationist, we have things the way they were made, not the way someone theorizes that they made themselves over time. Do you comprehend the difference?
Well everything was created by Odin, Vili, and Ve from the corpse of the giant Ymir. They created the earth to look exactly as it does now, with evidence suggesting that there is not a diamond core so I don't see what difference you're talking about.
Under this reference, as long as it fits the evidence, since it was made, its fine.
Could you explain this better please. What reference?
Here, we are mainly concerned with hot or cold inside the earth, and what evidence supports.
The evidence does not support a diamond core. Unless you would like to provide some evidence that does support a diamond core this theory of yours is as valid as the idea that there's a giant cowpatty at the core. The evidence also suggests that its hot at the core, do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise?

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Message 168 of 310 (181238)
01-28-2005 2:06 AM
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01-28-2005 1:39 AM


Re: magical quark ferry
Be it as it may, does it fit our observations, and evidence or not? Does a cooler earth contradict the evidence, just in it's very concept, regardless of fitting the evidence or not?
There is no evidence to support what you're proposing.
Great. Then I'll drop it fast as you can say 'I guess it must've been this other material, resulting in the same end-a cooler interior'. By the way,how does it not fit, would you say?
No you propose a theory its your duty to provide substantiating evidence. What evidence do you have of a) a cool core and b) a core composed of something other than what the current model proposes?
I suggest you go and read AdminNosey's posts #160 and #164. Especially this
You will start with evidence, explain why it applies and use logic to arrive at conclusions from that evidence. Then, and only then, you may ask others to review what you have presented and suggest areas of weakness.
from #164.
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Message 194 of 310 (181560)
01-29-2005 2:20 AM
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01-29-2005 1:58 AM


Re: cool crystal?
it seems at the pressure Cos puts the diamond, is also right around where graphite would turn into diamond.
I don't know where you got this from seeing as cosmo never provided any calculations or even a guesstimate as to the physical conditions of his proposed system.

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Message 196 of 310 (181586)
01-29-2005 4:25 AM
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01-29-2005 3:45 AM


Re: cool crystal?
Who asked you, or who care what you think?
Well seeing as this is a conversation that I'm involved in and this is an open forum, I don't need anyone to ask me to comment.
Earth has a certain density. Graphite has a certain pressure where it turns to diamond.
The Earth has a density, graphite has a certain pressure (along with other conditions) where it forms a diamond crystal. However you are wrong to say
It happens that they are about the same
Because density and pressure are not the same. Density is a measurement of mass/volume while pressure is a measurement of force/area.
What has this got to do with cosmo?
Re-read your post #193. See where you reference cosmo
seems at the pressure Cos puts the diamond, is also right around where graphite would turn into diamond
Do you see that you're the one who brought up a pressure attributed to Cosmo that he's never actually produced?

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Message 209 of 310 (181764)
01-30-2005 2:00 AM
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01-30-2005 1:45 AM


Re: the cool earth
Actually I don't have any claims!
You've claimed several times that the current model of the earth is wrong and you've never shown any evidence to support these claims.
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Message 212 of 310 (181771)
01-30-2005 3:38 AM
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01-30-2005 3:27 AM


Re: stay on topic, hot or cool center of earth
You don't believe creation
No I don't believe in the Christian account of creation. There are other creation stories out there that are just as valid if not more so. But thats all I'm going to say on that because its off topic and frankly my religious beliefs are none of your business.
creationists don't believe every aspect of your model
They don't have to believe in the current model, the current model exists whether or not people believe in it. The current model is based on evidence not belief. If cosmo doesn't accept the evidence for the current model thats fine, but as this (the geology and great flood forum) is a science forum if he wants to dismiss the current model he needs to provide evidence not beleifs.
If you can't contibute something meaningful, you may face suspension.
Yes and it'll be the Admins who judge what is meaningful, not you. if you read the thread you'll notice it is cosmo who has received the warnings not me.
stay on topic, hot or cool center of earth
All the evidence points to the Earth's core being hot. No evidence has been provided to suggest otherwise. No evidence been provided to suggest that there is a diamond at the Earth's core. There is no evidence for anything that Cosmo has proposed and he has refused all requests for evidence.

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Message 224 of 310 (181888)
01-30-2005 4:41 PM
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01-30-2005 4:37 PM


Re: the cool earth
if gold was a liquid at that pressure, why would it be hot
Cause if it was cool it'd be a solid. To change something that is normally a solid into a liquid you have to raise it's temperature to its melting point. You have to keep it at or above the melting point. Therefore liquid gold is hot. It's simple thermodynamics.

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