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Author Topic:   Unconditional devotion?
hooah212002
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Message 3 of 17 (522156)
09-01-2009 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dogrelata
08-31-2009 10:36 AM


I see the standard "if it's good, praise god. If it's bad, it wasn't meant to be or it's god’s will". So in that aspect, a true believer NEVER waivers in faith, no matter the evidence presented.
I was listening to Wisconsin Public radio the other day. they had a guest speaker on. His name is William Lobdell. He was speaking about his book he had written, "Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America-and Found Unexpected Peace". It was about how he had been a heavy drinker.."sinner" if you will, then found god. It entails his 20 years as a devout Christian, being a journalist and then uncovering the nitty gritty about Catholicism, causing him to lose his faith in god, and turn into an Atheist.
One particular event he had mentioned was about a priest who had been uncovered as a pedophile, but allowed into priesthood and allowed to preach at this church. He came out, told the congregation about it.....and was fucking PRAISED. They wanted to name the church after him! After he got done telling how he had done what he had done, the entire church gave him a standing ovation.
Jesus finds the good in every situation.
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hooah212002
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Message 5 of 17 (522176)
09-01-2009 4:13 PM
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09-01-2009 4:43 PM


Well, i don't have a god, so......
I was merely stating what i assumed the theist response would be. I have witnessed it first hand with members of my family when i pose the question of "why did god let "x" happen".
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Message 8 of 17 (522249)
09-02-2009 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Peg
09-02-2009 5:14 AM


I'm sorry, maybe I am mistaken. Isn't that exactly the unconditional devotion the OP is talking about?

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Message 10 of 17 (522253)
09-02-2009 6:32 AM
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09-02-2009 6:22 AM


I feel as though we are each reading the OP in our own light.
It is my understanding that he is asking whether or not you, or any religious person, are unwavering in your devotion, no matter the evidence shown to you, or no matter the lunacy you may come to see in your faith.
If your priest turned out to be a child molester, and your congregation applauded him and wanted to name th eparish after him, how would that make you feel?
If the bible was proven to be factually errent, how would you feel?
Again, maybe I misinterpreted the OP's words.

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Message 14 of 17 (522386)
09-03-2009 6:57 AM
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09-03-2009 5:01 AM


I guess I've learnt that we all really do need God in our life.
I'm sorry, but this really grinds my gears when you religious types try and harp YOUR views and beliefs on the whole fucking world. YOU need god in YOUR life. Don't tell me what i need in mine.
I look forward to the future in a way that i never did previously. Actually, previously the future was quite bleak but now I see it as something very promising. In that way, my dependency on God has grown because I know the future is completely dependent on him.
I look forward to the future too, and I don't need an invisible sky creature for that. i'm fine with YOU needing that,though. My kids are my future. I build my future. I'm not going to depend on something that has never shown any evidence of being there. Maybe I could put my life in the hands of.....the easter bunny?

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