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LDSdude
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Message 11 of 43 (178075)
01-18-2005 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by PaulK
12-17-2004 5:44 AM


Re: Preconceptions
You guys keep judging the camel for not passing through the eye of a needle. You critisize creationists for not investigating where they came from, but can you know if there is a God by looking at bacteria? Are you just going to fing His initials on the cell? It's not possible to completely make the presence of God a provable fact. All ID's can do is see how natural processes could not make lifeforms, and then see that these life forms were MADE, not evolved.
And another thing, one big reason the ID's don't completely affiliate themselves with God is because Atheists have crucified any Godly scientists as being non-scientific. What Atheists don't understand is that nothing in the bible contradicts science.

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LDSdude
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Message 17 of 43 (178260)
01-18-2005 4:47 PM


Once again I must say that God used science to make the earth, and there is NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE BIBLE that contradicts the sciences God has allowed men to discover. Name something. Take the flood. If you read deeply into not just the bible, but what preachers of many faiths have said concerning the subject, there are scientific ways and means that God used to accomplish what he needed to get done.
Go ahead, give me something. Tell me something that takes place in the bible that physics and other natural forces of nature could not do. Seriously, I'll take you on on this.
I also notice something throughout this site. If a evolutionist says something against a creationist, other evolutionists will copy the previous speakers comments just to make themselves as a whole look smart and look like they know what they're talking about. This same stategy has been used over the years by evolution activists to replace religion with evolution in society, such as schools, television and government. Very clever. Do me a favor, don't just say something cause you feel like typing; if you have a new concept, point it out yourself!
One more thing. Someone reversed my idea of judging creation to say that I judge evolution too harshly. Get used to it. Evolution is a theory. NOT A FACT! A fact by definition is something that should be viewable or observable over time. Tell you what, put some hidden cameras in the jungle and if you ever see evolution before your very eyes, call it a fact.
Don't imply that I don't see the scientific reasoning behind evolution. I do see the reasoning. Just not the proof.

A Day unto God is thousands of years to man. 6 Godly Days of creation does not undermine the fossil record.
The fossil record, however, clearly undermines evolution. (Any questions should be asked, and every answer will be given)

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LDSdude
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Message 18 of 43 (178263)
01-18-2005 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by LDSdude
01-18-2005 4:47 PM


One more thing. You seem to be saying that since some creationists see diffently than others, it makes them an unreliable source. We're not fighting over HOW the earth was made, were fighting over WHO or WHAT made it. Creationist is a general term that simply means everyone in the category believes that one form of God or another created the world. There is not a single simple uniting code of beleif on the creationist side as there is on the evolutionist side. Maybe that's why we greatly outnumber you.

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LDSdude
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Message 25 of 43 (179111)
01-20-2005 8:59 PM


sure!
"Circle" of the earth is a poetic phrase used simply for poetic signifacance. Does, the "round" of the earth sound better? No. At least I don't think so.
Yes. It is possible to make the presence of God a testible fact. You must read the Bible thouroughly for yourself and pray to God to know if it's true. If you pray because you REALLY want to know, NOT just because you want to prove it wrong, and if you truly try to be sincere in your prayer, you'll recieve an answer in your heart. You'll feel it within your body. The Holy Ghost will let you know.
About observing a being changing DNA or something, I have to quote Sherlock Holmes (at least as best as I can remember) "When you elimate the impossible, whatever is left must be the truth."
So if Evolution, the idea that there is no God and we came from nothing is true, then there is no God. But remember that if there is a God, and he did create the earth, than we didn't evolve.
Also, Science is only what the scientist makes it. If all the people who write the textbooks have an agenda (I'm not saying they all do, I'm just making an example), then the world would have to trust them and except their word as fact, because, "Their the experts".
A THEORY IS A HYPOTHESIS BASED UPON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE FACTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS EDUCATED GUESSES IN THE WORLD ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, MANY TO MOST OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. Whether by unknown variables, or by the simple problem of being unable to observe and record certain things, Theories are mere ideas that seem to make sense when you create them.
About the How did Noah Breath? Just because the earth is covered with water, doesn't mean there still isn't an atmosphere? I don't think I understand your question. And the why wasn't Noah burnt to death question? Are you reading the King James version of the bible? Please clarify.
Also, I doubt that Math systems were as advanced as they are today. Remember, the bible was written for the people of the day, and us. So the writers had to make it understandable to both peoples. Do you expect the bible to read- Pi equals therefore three and one tenth and four hundredths with five thousandths and....
Oh my heck, you guys. THE BIBLE IS A SPIRITUAL MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO WILL SINCERELY LISTEN. IT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC ALMANAC! There are poems that say light comes from the moon. Read a scietific book if your looking for answers to science questions, but for an ancient document that contains writings from throughout the ages, with an enlightening spiritual message, read the bible.
The walked on water thing. It says in the bible that the disciples were having trouble rowing do to a windy gail. Does it even for a second cross your mind that a God, YOUR creator, who has priesthood with infinate power, could not use wind to keep himself up? Or ice? Or make his atom density very light? Use common sense and stop calling on me to answer all of your questions instead of trying to put an effort into it.
Jesus had a REAL body. He was a REAL person. Don't you think he had to be created in the womb through REAL processes. I'm not saying she wasn't a virgin, but God could have placed a single celled sperm in the womb to help her give birth. I am very uneasy about this particulat topic because pro-creation is a very sacred thing, so I ask that you try to if you could avoid it. Everything else is fine, but I do not like to "cast pearls before swine," or discuss openly sacred things.
And 80-90% of the American population believes in a God of one sort or another. Yippeee! We win!

A Day unto God is thousands of years to man. 6 Godly Days of creation does not undermine the fossil record.
The fossil record, however, clearly undermines evolution. (Any questions should be asked, and every answer will be given)

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LDSdude
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Message 32 of 43 (179143)
01-20-2005 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by NosyNed
01-20-2005 9:13 PM


Re: No problem then
Wait a second. Is one person using many screen names? Because all of the last posts were posted within minutes of eacother. Is somebody out there trying to make themselves look more reliable by looking like differnt sources? Because that would just be immature.
Baby: WAAAAAA!
Mom: What's wrong, sweetheart?
Baby: My limited knowlege and assumed understanding of scientific reasoning of the concept of evolution and all it's fundamentals has failed, and therefore I must resolve to insulting another scientific advesaries intelect and exploiting my abilities of multiple signature names that are readily available to my disgresionary use in order to change my scientific appearance to that of a THREE YEAR OLD! WAAAAAA!
Mom: You've been watching too much "Bill Nye The Science Guy!" I'm going to file a complaint to the TV Networks and sue the stations for abusive tainting of impressionable minds!
And Burning in the floods energy. Hmmmmm. You know what, you MUST be right! I mean I was walking in a HORRIBLE rain storm the other day, and I swear that despite the cold temperatures, I broke a warm sweat! I bet Noah would have exploded from all that water. Not to mention, there was Acid RAIN! The Mammoths invented it before we did, because since the THEORY of evolution MUST be true, Man is always second best! Yippee! (By the way, for all you extremely unhumorous fellow scientists out there, the previous paragraph was written with sarcastic intensions. We must evolved that too!)
I did not mean to shove words down the throats of people who beleive evolution and Religion work together; I got lost in stating only what my religion believes, and I apolagize.
The Bible teaches a spiritual lesson WHICH YOU ALL REFUSE TO EVEN TRY TO LISTEN TOO. YOU WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO MY COMMENTS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, WELL YOU! IT JUST SHOWS HOW EXTREMELY ONE-SIDED EVOLUTIONISTS ARE. Put down your pride and take my previous advice.
Oh yeah, the flood has evidence in the fossil record. Get your facts straight. Research, Research, Research!
BABY:WAAAAAAA!
MOMh, what is it now, shnuckums?
BABY: I need you to change my diaper!
MOM:Why?
BABY:Because I have in essence "pooped" all over my evidence and had to read through the soiled pages.
MOM: Is that why your research "stinks?"
BABY:Nevermind. Just get to the diaper, woman!

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