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Topic: Modularity, A distinguishing property of life
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Message 207 of 291 (514283)
07-05-2009 8:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Filameter
06-18-2009 2:51 PM
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Intelligent design reductionist
Filameter writes: I am proposing that the absence of integrated design characteristics in life forms is scientific evidence against a designer who knew the ultimate purpose of the parts in life forms.
In the reductionist view (approach), that phenomena we see ("Life") can be explained in terms of components and how those components interact with each other. - Life is a mechanism. This is the greatest technology we have ever fallen over. We can not surpass it even with the greatest human minds. These artificial "life" forms are nothing less then intelligently made. Machines that think they themselves are alive but are not. The illusion of intellectually extreme complexity. The technology of creating life like systems, highly automated to create the illusions of living systems. Even the universe is an illusion of nature, make, designed to fool even the wisest fools like mankind - that’s you and me.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Message 208 of 291 (514284)
07-05-2009 8:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 206 by Larni
07-04-2009 5:44 PM
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Physical life is - non-existent - mechanisms only
Larni writes: As we cannot point to the dividing line between life and non-life; yes it is subjective.
News flash: Life has need reverse-engineered and been found to be a mechanism. Bio-molecular chemists and physicist’s are reductionist’s. Life does not look to be anymore then molecular machinery and DNA programming. The greater the complexity of the machinery and the programming changes nothing. Intellectual design will always be complexity technology and complex non-natural engineering is always intelligent designed technology.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Is Life: #1,2,3,4
What is life... Well we got 4 basic choices I would think. #1 Is life supernatural - at every level is more then just some simple mechanism. #2 Is life just complex intelligently designed machinery - Not really alive in itself. #3 Is Life simple non-complex chemical reactions, not complex enough to be called machinery. Not special enough to be called a living system or a fully automated system. #4 Is life just a bunch of random mutations and lucky happenings (selections) that make it all work. Is it just that we are so stupid that we are over rating all this as something great and wondrous. Life being not life at all, not even good enough to be machinery.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Re: Is Life: #1,2,3,4
If you choose #1 the religionists win hands down. If you choose #2 it is still intelligently designed and still in need of a creator. If you choose #3 then life is less complex then our created machinery, and would have to be naturally occurring. If you choose #4 then the universe is not amazing and not complex at all. We are just impressed by every little thing that comes our way. Life is nothing real or special and we are just that stupid to think it might be. Well guys your in there some where. That's between 1-4. Go ahead and shot yourself in the foot.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Message 218 of 291 (514347)
07-06-2009 6:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 217 by Larni
07-06-2009 1:56 PM
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Re: Physical life is - non-existent - mechanisms only
In reading the DISCOVER magazine July/Aug 2009 issue there was an interesting article called The Discover interview - Erik Winfree.
It is in this article I see he is yet one of many scientists the see life as a machine / mechanical. In the past you were stoned/ burned for saying such things but I guess times have changed - I am still alive and well, and so are people like Erik Winfree.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Re: Physical life is - non-existent - mechanisms only
Perdition writes: A machine is something created by an intelligent, living, creature. To date, the only machines we know have are created by man. Life, is not created by anything intelligent, and so cannot be called a machine. http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Machine writes:
Machine 1. In general, any combination of bodies so connected that their relative motions are constrained, and by means of which force and motion may be transmitted and modified, as a screw and its nut, or a lever arranged to turn about a fulcrum or a pulley about its pivot, etc.; especially, a construction, more or less complex, consisting of a combination of moving parts, or simple mechanical elements, as wheels, levers, cams, etc, with their supports and connecting framework, calculated to constitute a prime mover, or to receive force and motion from a prime mover or from another machine, and transmit, modify, and apply them to the production of some desired mechanical effect or work, as weaving by a loom, or the excitation of electricity by an electrical machine. Your religious views are not listed here I see. The human factor is not needed to qualify it to become a machine. All my biochemical text books use the terminology of a bio-machine and the like.
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Bio-molecularTony
Member (Idle past 5407 days) Posts: 90 Joined: 09-23-2008
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Message 222 of 291 (514363)
07-06-2009 9:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 220 by Rahvin
07-06-2009 6:23 PM
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Re: Physical life is - non-existent - mechanisms only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jayDc9YayI&feature=related writes:
The inner life of the cell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=686qX5yzksU&feature=related writes:
Kinesin Explanation
So what part about mechinery did you not understand.... Please notice the words used in the last video.
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