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Percy Member  Posts: 17329 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 2.1
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The topic isn't the age of the Earth, but you've made it part of your argument in favor of changing physical constants, so we're going to have to discuss it a bit. Your chain of argument is that we know that physical constants had different values in the past because of accelerated radioactive decay, and we know that accelerated radioactive decay must have happened because the Earth is young. So, remembering that the actual topic is the properties of light, do you have any evidence for a young Earth that would support your claim of accelerated radioactive decay that would in turn support your claim of changing physical constants? --Percy
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 5775 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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Provide evidence for this. Oh right your evidence is accelerated radioactive decay. And your evidence for accelerated radioactive decay is that the earth is orders of magnitude younger than 4.56 billions years old. I don't think that is what evidence means. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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foreveryoung Member Posts: 898 Joined: |
You cannot have a conversation with someone if they are not listening. It has nothing to do with proper consideration. See how you twist the meanings of my words to your own ends? Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Member  Posts: 10695 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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Your posts are being read and responded to. So we are listening. But by and large your posts are not persuasive. So if it is indeed not being listened to that makes you angry, then you ought to be down right cheerful every time you see a post that is completely responsive to your posts. But that is not what I see happening. Do I really need to cite examples? In this case, it is clear that you are being listened to. There is no question IMO, that the people who are asking you to anchor your position by telling us the reasons for pegging the earth's age at orders of magnitude less than a billion years, or who are asking for your reason for believing that geological ages are all wrong have listened to your arguments. Are you going to address those arguments. Edited by NoNukes, : Add some on topic content. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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Admin Director  Posts: 12552 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
This thread has a topic, please confine yourself to that.
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onifre Member (Idle past 752 days)  Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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When will you actually not come back? Remember that thread where you said you were not coming back, then you came back? That sucked. - Oni
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 1768 days)  Posts: 565 Joined: |
The question of the thread is supremely not even wrong. For any one asking if so and so was such and such in the cosmological past naively takes for granted that he understands what he is talking about. I mean which past exactly? Imagine yourself free-falling in outer space and assume your vision is as good as that of all the best scopes combined. Let you the centre of your sphere of vision. All the farthest points on the inside of such a sphere are equidistant from you. You see them as they are equal number of billions years ago. That means they are equally in Your past. Does it mean it is one and the same time for them? If so for them it must the same present. Is that possible though? Remember any location on that sphere is separated not only from your present location but also from any other location at the same distance from you. That means some of them might be further from one another than they are from you. Think about that before pondering on the questions that are not even wrong.
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NoNukes Member Posts: 10695 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
You understand of course that this sentence is demonstrably false. A moments thought ought to convince you of that. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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What I understand is that Nuky makes another empty bigbangist assertion. What I said stands. This is called relativity of simultaneity laughably overlooked by all the "experts" in need to defend the bigbunk creation tale.
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zaius137 Member (Idle past 1211 days) Posts: 407 Joined: |
When you say effective electron charge, what do you mean? Are you referring to the hypothesis of variance of electron fundamental charge? Please provide a citation for your statement. Because your statement does seem to violate the fundamental characteristics of electric charge http://prd.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v16/i12/p3453_1 quote:
I believe alpha radiation also has to do with the strong nuclear force. quote:
When is the Weinberg angle considered a fundamental constant? It may be affected by other fundamental constants but it is not fundamental, as I know it.
It depends on which constants are affected and to what degree. That would be the difference between the decay of uranium for instance verses that of say heavy water. Actually, the Sun’s formation itself is still not workable physics, regardless of the fundamental constants. Therefore, I deem the claim it would stop functioning as a mute. In other words first describe how it started to work then you can make claims on if it will not work. About accelerated decay rates, here is an article suggesting two possible constants that might have changed. quote:
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NoNukes Member Posts: 10695 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
quote: Speaking of not even being wrong, how is that definition of energy coming along? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Otherwise, my definition of energy as a measure of motion stands. Do you have a better one? Let's hear it, Nukey.
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NoNukes Member Posts: 10695 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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Sure. That's pretty easy to grasp. Now can you picture a situation where John and Mary are each 1500 meters (or any other distance) away from you and yet the two are in contact with each other? Because that arrangement would also meet the description in your sentence. Below, I quote that sentence for the third time, this time with emphasis added by me.
Condescension only works when you are right about something. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
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NoNukes Member Posts: 10695 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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Sure dude. That's exactly what you meant when you gave your example of people on opposite sides of the sphere surrounding you. If instead you are simply saying that two objects cannot occupy the same point, then you needn't have discussed the sphere at all, right? I should know by now that discussion with you is not productive. I've got some code to write, so I'm gonna get back to it. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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