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celestialGyoud
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Message 106 of 194 (606831)
02-28-2011 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Theodoric
02-25-2011 4:18 PM


This tree of life is the only exception
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Theodoric writes:

Amazingly nowhere on the internet is there any support

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Knowing that new discoveries do not have references, whenever a new discovery is revealed,

there is always the following support,

people are able to comment exactly which statements would be wrong and why.

It's so much easier to do that.

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quote:
Real references are given to anyone who will make some calls and speak to people who live in the cultivation areas;
as it is said, there never was an answer without you experiencing it.

One won't have the real references when speaking to those who do commercialize the so called 'juice' of the fruit.
because they believe that the fruits were made to be consummed in their decomposed and liquid form; which equates to the state of a rotten orange; They even try to reduce the vomit smell by mixing it with juice of grapes or other fruit.


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Theodoric
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Message 107 of 194 (606892)
02-28-2011 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by celestialGyoud
02-28-2011 2:38 PM


Re: This tree of life is the only exception
So instead of evidence and some sort of support for your assertions all you have is mumbo-jumbo? Or word salad as posters here are fond of saying.

Why should we believe anything you say? Why are you (an anonymous poster to an internet forum) a person we should unquestioningly believe? Give me one good reason to believe you.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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celestialGyoud
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Message 108 of 194 (607045)
03-01-2011 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Theodoric
02-28-2011 8:43 PM


Re: This tree of life is the only exception
Theodoric writes:

Why should we believe..

..we should unquestioningly believe? Give me one good reason to believe you.

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The point was already cleared up to you.
The first instruction of Genesis is not a matter of believing;
it was written to be verified, investigated and experienced.

It was also highlighted that the believing is of the demon called Ravãb [Legion; to be many].

The bible you use was reversed to include the system of the dragon.

In order to let you know that the first instruction of Genesis as originally written was never written to be believed but to be verified and experienced,
a new topic will be proposed.

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celestialGyoud
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Message 109 of 194 (627250)
08-01-2011 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coyote
01-25-2011 12:20 AM


Here is some evidence for you
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It's higly recommended that you go consult a Mathematician, before believing or giving credit,

that 10 thousand persons would take more than 20 thousand years to reach a population of 1 million.

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70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants

50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants

40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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fearandloathing
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Message 110 of 194 (627254)
08-01-2011 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by celestialGyoud
08-01-2011 5:19 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
Hi CrazyD,

It's higly recommended that you go consult a Mathematician, before believing or giving credit,

that 10 thousand persons would take more than 20 thousand years to reach a population of 1 million.

Just for clarity could you show us how you came up with your #'s?


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 111 of 194 (627489)
08-02-2011 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by fearandloathing
08-01-2011 5:41 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
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fearandloathing writes:

Just for clarity could you show us how you came up with your #'s?

It's just what the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body comes up with, and the info being given does always omit why, 70 thousand years ago, 1,000 persons would never have the conditions to multiplicate and reach a population of 10,000 persons in less than 20 thousand years.

Can't any Mathematician bother doing any Math research.

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And many have said anything to avoid what a few are only just starting to realize, that the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body is based on a disconnection between time and place, whenever it places the Humans (as if they were) multiplicating from 70,000 to 50,000 years ago,

then avoids to explain why it would take over 20 thousand years for the human population to grow from 10 thousand to a million.

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fearandloathing
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Message 112 of 194 (627492)
08-02-2011 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by celestialGyoud
08-02-2011 3:51 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
It's just what the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body comes up with

What I want to know is a #1 source or #2 how you came up with these numbers.

It's just what the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body comes up with

Ok, once again a source or a theory as to why you believe what you believe would help me properly understand your line of reasoning.

Thanks.

BTW I am not anything more than a layperson, not a mathematician, so bear with me.


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 113 of 194 (627505)
08-02-2011 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by fearandloathing
08-02-2011 4:05 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
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Let's even use in the Math operation the 123 years that it took just to add another 1 billion to the human population and you'll soon begin to see the logic of how it's impossible that 70, 000 years of human evolution without any breaks what so ever is totally and logically impossible.

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fearandloathing
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Message 114 of 194 (627508)
08-02-2011 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by celestialGyoud
08-02-2011 4:37 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
Let's even use in the Math operation the 123 years that it took just to add another 1 billion to the human population

First we will have to agree on the math, which you have not presented. Am I asking too much?


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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fearandloathing
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Message 115 of 194 (627511)
08-02-2011 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by celestialGyoud
08-02-2011 4:37 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
Treat me like I am stupid, tell me why it would take 20,000 years for a population of 10,000 to reach a million? I just want to know how you came up with the math?

Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 116 of 194 (627557)
08-02-2011 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by celestialGyoud
08-02-2011 3:51 PM


Re: Here is some evidence for you
It's just what the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body comes up with,

We need to see the formulas, the justifications for the formulas, and the numbers you put into the formulas.

Can't any Mathematician bother doing any Math research.

So let me apply your mathematical research.

2+2=4, therefore there are only 4 bacteria in the world.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 117 of 194 (628456)
08-09-2011 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Taq
08-02-2011 7:54 PM


A belief named Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body
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Evidence that the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body is a belief based intent of explanation and takes a wide stretch of believing:

because it requires one to believe that when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants that it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

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Taq, the justification for the formula: This formula is presented as a possibility based on the statement that families of Humans would have been multiplying for over 150 thousand years.

quote:

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70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
25 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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Final Conclusion: That there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 70 thousand years ago is evident, because of the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, or when Earth’s population was 1 million persons, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

Disconnection of time and place can be seen from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body.


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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update


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rueh
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Message 118 of 194 (628556)
08-10-2011 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by celestialGyoud
08-09-2011 4:52 PM


Re: A belief named Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body
Crazydiamond7 writes:

Taq, the justification for the formula: This formula is presented as a possibility based on the statement that families of Humans would have been multiplying for over 150 thousand years.

I have yet to see you present any formula. So far all you have done is presented this.

70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
25 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

That is not a formula; it is just numbers that you assert with no justification. How does your formula deal with variables like death/ birth rates? Where is the supporting evidence for the numbers you use?

Crazydiamond7 writes:

Final Conclusion: That there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 70 thousand years ago is evident, because of the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, or when Earth’s population was 1 million persons, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.


Only if you ignore the fact that the technology for the advancements that humanity has accomplished has only been available for the past 200 years.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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Message 119 of 194 (628564)
08-10-2011 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by celestialGyoud
08-09-2011 4:52 PM


Re: A belief named Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body
Taq, the justification for the formula: This formula is presented as a possibility based on the statement that families of Humans would have been multiplying for over 150 thousand years.

You did not present a formula. Please write out the formula that you are using.

because it requires one to believe that when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants that it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

Human populations can go from 1 million to 10,000 in a single year. Millions of people died during outbreaks of the bubonic plague, not to mention the 10's of millions of people that died during the influenza pandemic of 1917. Your assumptions have no basis in fact.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 120 of 194 (628573)
08-10-2011 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Taq
08-10-2011 1:10 PM


Re: A belief named Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body
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Distinction between Two Criterias

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Criteria I – (based on a belief) – Something that could rarely occur, eg. annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years.

Criteria II – Something that occurs often and constantly indeed: Human population has never stopped growing.

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Taq writes:

.. Human populations can go from 1 million to 10,000 in a single year ..

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This is the criteria that the representants of the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body have often presented:

as you stated, let’s all consider (or believe) that something which very rarely happens would often occur during over 55 thousand years, that would be the believed reason why, when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants, it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

Just as the father of the beliefs/lies said, Everything is possible if one work up a strong belief! Something occuring that would drastically bring down the population and would be something that occured with regularity.

The only Diagnostic left: The Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body became obsolete because it’s grasping at straws and causing people to work up a strong belief:

• something that could rarely occur, eg annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years, that could be the only thing that would wipe out enough of the human population to bring it down to 10,000 from a million, let's say, but for that event to occur with regularity is totally ridiculous, but it's so much easier to swallow that camel.

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update


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