How New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others

Reality tells a different story.In Western Europe, Christian Fundamentalists are a distinct minority.The U.S.A. was founded as a secular state according to the ideals of the Enlightenment. It hardly seems to owe a lot to Fundamentalist Christianity.Spain is not a major power now - but it was once. If Catholicism does not prosper, then how did that ever happen ?And if you actually look at the present you will hardly find Fundamentalist Christians as the main supporters of freedom in the U.S. - In fact many seem to think of freedom as only the right for THEM to do what THEY want - riding roughshod over everyone else. That is not freedom.

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And, of course, it was Western Europe from which the Plymouth folks left, risking their lives from oppression.

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From PROTESTANT oppression. And they had a miserable time of it in the early years, saved only by the pagan native inhabitants.

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It was Western Europe from which Hitler was able to arise to instigate the Jewish Holocaust.

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Hitler has been gone for more than 60 years. And we should not forget the toxic legacy of Christian anti-semitism that helped enable the Holocaust. Nor the opposition to him in Western Europe either.
Will you claim that Britain is a fundamentalist nation now, for successfully standing against Hitler ?

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It is Western Europe which is now becoming rapidly socialistic and Islamized.

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That is - to put it simply - crap. I'm amazed that you would post this on the day in which a French law banning full face veils went into effect ! And if all you mean is that European nations have democratically elected governments following policies you don't like and allow Muslims to worship freely then you are objecting TO freedom.

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Wrong! How could that be when church was held in the halls of congress and the New England Primer, the Bible and Watt's Hymnal were in the public schools?

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Oh no ! That proves that the Founders must all have been secret Fundamentalist conspirators who lied about their own beliefs and principles - the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are all a massive fraud ! You would have to be mad to believe all that.That does not change the facts. Franklin was a Deist. Jefferson was so liberal a Christian that - despite his reverence for the teachings attributed to Jesus - he compared the rest of the Bible to a "dunghill". Washington refused to participate in Communion, a rite supposedly commanded by Jesus himself. Thomas Paine is another deist and freethinker and an opponent of Christianity.

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Have you forgotten your history? Remember the part about the Spanish Inquisition? Historically, Spain has not been a bastion of freedom, especially for Protestants.

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And therefore history must be wrong and Spain was not a rich and powerful nation despite all that ? Far from refuting my point, you have only emphasised it.

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It is fundamentalist Christian policies which have been implemented by due process at the poles that makes the laws

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Like what ? And how have they added to liberty ?

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. If you don't like certain laws, work harder to get your way. In recent decades it's been working quite well on the behalf of the secularist ideologies of you people.

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I agree with that. My point is that all too many Fundamentalist Christians do not.

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My OP points were not pertaining to specific exceptions.

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Well you may claim that the assertions in the OP represent general truths but you are a long way from proving it. You've only one questionable example of a "fundi nation" and you haven't shown how "New Testament Fundi Christians" are responsible for the freedom or prosperity in even that one case.So it seems to me that you are demanding that your assertions be accepted as true unless disproved despite the fact that you have yet to make your case. Unfortunately for you this forum does not work like that - you do not get special privileges. You have to make your case like everyone else.

Apparently Fundis value the following: Apparently Buz doesn't love Yahweh, the God of the Bible enough to get His name right. Apparently slandering people you don't like is allowed. See any of Buz's attacks on Islam or Obama. But maybe Buz doesn't see them as his enemies - certainly many of those he attacks have done him no wrong. But I hardly think that that is an intended loophole in the commandment.
The nearest Buz seems to get is glorying in the genocides he WANTS God to commit. I don't see much of that in Buzsaw's posts. Evangelizing people with the word of Buzsaw maybe. I can't say much about that - although I'd have to question the Christianity of any Church that agrees with Buz's beliefs. Skimming the Bible for bits to take out of context and misrepresent doesn't count. So we can say that Buz DEFINITELY fails that one. This seems to mean mindlessly supporting Israel no matter what the Israelis do. OK Buz does that, but it doesn't seem exactly loving.Nor is it what Genesis 12:3 says - it's not a command to anyone, it is a promise FROM God, saying what God will do. Apparently Buz feels that God isn't up to the job of blessing Abraham's descendants so it is up to Christians to support State terrorism and racial hatred for Him.That doesn't exactly seem Christian to me.

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It's your notion against nearly all of the scholared translators who would not agree with you, according to their translations.

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As you know perfectly well Buz, because you have discussed it before, "Jehovah" was a mistaken transliteration - from Hebrew to German - from long ago. The error persists in some translated Bibles only because the publishers prefer to keep the text the same rather than correcting it.Now I don't know if you persist in maintaining this error to insult the God of the Bible, because you worship your own invented Bible or because you just hate to accept that you could be wrong. Any or all of them are consistent with your behaviour on this forum.

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Cause and Effect. The ones blessed happen to live in the nation being blessed of Jehovah because of the constituency in the nation supportive to Israel.

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That's just more assertion, not evidence.

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Now it's time for you to show evidence how being messianic relative to Jesus at Jerusalem is the greatest treat to the world. They kill no one. They invade no nation They preach love and the gospel. They tell what governments and Jesus will do to effect that kingdom. That's it. Explain who that threatens and why.

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I'll leave Jar to explain his own thinking, but I have some comments here. You can't simultaneously boast of supporting Israel in oppressing and driving out innocent Arabs and then proclaim your own goodness because you don't personally participate. And what about Iraq ? It seems to me that fundie Christians had rather a lot to do with that invasion.Edited by AdminPD, : Fixed quote box

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This is the Coffee House. A lot is asserted here by us all. I'm asserting that the cause and effect of our blessings are largly due to the fact that Jehovah exists and that his covenants are to be taken seriously.

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So basically, all you have is a self-serving claim, without any evidence supporting it.You're not giving us a reason to refrain from our criticisms, you're just demonstrating - again - that our criticisms are justified.