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ZenMonkey
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Message 72 of 112 (612047)
04-12-2011 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
04-11-2011 1:55 AM


Real reasons.
If the United States has been a prosperous nation, it more due to geography than to religious beliefs.
Consider the following:
1. a whole continent, rich with diverse natural resources;
2. plenty of fertile land that people armed with diseases and more advanced technology can take away from the existing inhabitants;
3. oceans on two sides and much weaker and relatively friendly and weaker nations on the other two, so invasion has never been really much of a risk.
Just those factors alone make it hard to imagine this country not becoming prosperous. I'm of course ignoring a huge number of other historical factors, such as the vast expansion of industrial productivity with our entry into World War II (or what I like to call the second half of the Great 20th Century War), or the fortunate happenstance of the Industrial Revolution coming at just the right time to help accelerate national expansion westward. The proportion of Protestants in the national population - always a minority, anyway - doesn't seem to be nearly as important as the incredible fertility of the central states or the creation of a coast-to-coast rail network in the 19th century.

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ZenMonkey
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Message 74 of 112 (612078)
04-12-2011 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
04-12-2011 9:25 PM


Re: Aspirations Of Founders
Buzsaw writes:
You don't have to reinvent the past to understand the difference in nations like the USA, whose underpinnings are largely Biblical fundamentals and say, Muslim theocratic nations, Nazi Germany, secularistic communist nations and Mexico etc.
And what exactly ARE these fundamentals that you keep going on about? Please name for me one exclusively "Fundamentalist" moral trait or principle that has contributed to increase in life expectancy, income, or education level, to name but a few. Note that I said EXCLUSIVELY, because for your argument to work, these have to be principles that don't exist in any other belief (or non-belief) system.
While you're at it, please show me where these explicitly Biblical principles appear in the Constitution of the United States. That's the document that deliniates how the US is supposed to work as a nation, that and no other.
Like so many other people, Buz, you keep mistaking a nation with a population that is predominantly Christian, as this one was at its founding and continues to be, and a Christian nation. A Christian nation would have to be Christian in the same way that Isreal is a Jewish nation or Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation; that is, it would have to have specifically religious laws as part of its legal system. The last time I checked anyway, making a graven image or coveting my neighbor's ass isn't a federal offense.

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