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Author Topic:   Is a Literal Interpretation of the Bible Even Possible?
jar
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Message 7 of 40 (616010)
05-18-2011 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dave B
05-13-2011 10:06 AM


No problems.
Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 11 of 40 (616018)
05-18-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dave B
05-18-2011 10:23 PM


Re: No problems.
Dave B writes:
jar writes:
Of course you can read the Bible literally. The only real issues are thinking that it is actually one book and so different stories need to be consistent and thinking that it can't simply be wrong.
Exactly. If you want to take the Bible literally you need to explain away the stories that conflict with your literal interpretation. It is not possible for two contradictory stories, taken literally, to both be correct.
But the Bible is not one book. And it is certainly possible for two conflicting statements to be literally true within two different stories.

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jar
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Message 16 of 40 (616062)
05-19-2011 8:49 AM
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05-18-2011 10:57 PM


Re: No problems.
Often there is no way to tell if either is accurate if you mean historically, yet both could be accurate within the context of that story.
This is not a matter of semantics but rather understanding the nature of the Bible. You need to remember that it is an edited and redacted anthology of anthologies. It is NOT some monolithic structure.
Let me give you an example. In the OP you mention several examples. One is the last words of Jesus in Matt, Luke and John. Yes, what is recorded in each of the stories is different, but within the context of each story it is literally what the author of Matt, or Luke or John has Jesus say last.
They are different stories, there is no need for them to be internally consistent.
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are again, different stories written hundreds of years apart (maybe thousands) and in both stories, creation itself is simply a plot device. They were written by two different cultures to serve two different purposes and both accounts are literal accurate (as far as we can tell) but neither is accurate.

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Message 23 of 40 (616215)
05-20-2011 11:05 AM
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05-20-2011 11:02 AM


Re: No problems.
Actually, ignoring the first TWO definitions.
1.
in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word.
2.
following the words of the original very closely and exactly: a literal translation of Goethe.

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jar
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Message 25 of 40 (616217)
05-20-2011 11:20 AM
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05-20-2011 11:08 AM


Re: No problems.
The second is germane IMHO because we need to acknowledge that the stories really do say what is being claimed. There really are conflicts, contradictions and discrepancies, passages that really are mutually exclusive.
Before we can begin addressing why such things exist we need to truly understand that they do exist, and that's where so much of apologetics just plain fails. They try to claim that the discrepancies and contradictions simply don't really exist.

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jar
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Message 29 of 40 (616252)
05-20-2011 3:00 PM
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05-20-2011 2:48 PM


Re: No problems.
Well, that is still not related to what I have said.
For example.
In the flood myth there literally are several conflicting and contradictory descriptions of the onset, duration, what happened at the end, what was taken on board, what was destroyed.
Before we can resolve such issues we have to actually recognize that they really, literally do say contradictory things.
The classic apologist simply ignores those contradictions and tries to pretend that they actually say the same thing.

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jar
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Message 34 of 40 (616312)
05-20-2011 7:14 PM
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05-20-2011 7:06 PM


Re: No problems.
Dave B writes:
Can you read the Bible literally without believing it to be accurate? Sure! But that's not the context in which the questions were asked.
You can even read the Bible literally and believe it accurate.
The issue is that you seem to want a certain answer and seem upset that people reply in a way you did not expect.

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