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Since when do you accept scientific findings? Why does your "non-intelligent/non-infinite designer" need to fit within the laws of thermodynamics? Why do you accept the laws of thermodynamics, but practically no other scientific findings?

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Ahh, that explains it. You want to invoke hokus pokus while trying to debate actual science. You see buz, once you invoke magic, you kinda stop talking about science......

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Since you've not supplied your own "biblical laws of thermodynamics", you very much ARE restricted to "secular" science since the LoT's are secular and not biblical. Magic doesn't jive with science. But you NEVER reveal anything emperical and you've been told this in every thread you ever partake in. Magic does not equal emperical....Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Oh so very true. It's just that the laws of thermodynamics are NOT belief. They ARE fact and buz is trying to use them as some sort of evidence for his god.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

So then, you have some biblical laws of thermodynamics? Or are you referring to the secular laws of thermodynamics?

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

2 reasons:1: We hate seeing you so stupid. Some of us are actually here to set the record straight. Ya know, teach and learn?2: When people stop debating you are stop participating in the threads you muddy up, you claim victory. We can't have that.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Wow ICANT. You managed to contradict yourself in the same post. I'm impressed. Congratulations.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

You're right. I misread. I apologize. However: Then why do even attempt to wedge him into fitting within the laws of our universe? Ya know, the topic at hand?{abe}
You know who else lives in a realm? Orcs.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Then why are you commenting on the topic?

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

Perhaps you coulld start a thread on verifiable ways to test for the metaphysical? I'd LOVE to see/perform some of the tests.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

So you want college level physics to invoke magic? Or should they just teach alchemy in lieu of physics? Wait, wait, I know: you actually have some evidence for this "operative intelligent designer"? I assure you, we are all waiting with baited breath for you to supply evidence of this " operative intelligent designer" that is worthy of college level physics courses.8k+ posts on this board and you still haven't done so tells me you've got nothing but apologetics and whining about how we "secularists" won't accept your lack of evidence as evidence, my dear chap.

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

If you cannot tell the difference between 2d and 3d, how can you ever expect to grasp ANY cosmological model?

Again, Buz, if you think an inflated balloon, which is used as an illusory tool to show laypersons how space-time is expanding, is 2d.....you are hopeless to understand anything even remotely complex about cosmology. False. Cosmic Background Radiation was predicted and found. How are stars formed? How are galaxies formed? Do you know what a nebula is? (Hint: they are formed out of chaos by entirely natural processes)Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Why do you feel the need to label it science, while at the same time decrying the scientific method? You have mocked "secular" science in the following posts in this thread alone: Message 28
Message 47
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Message 175Why not just call it what it is? Contrary to Buz belief, science in it's very nature IS secular. What you are doing would be deemed, IMO, "creation science". Again: why the appeal to call what you are doing science when it is obvious you have no intention on actually doing or respecting science? Do you really think anyone buys into your delusion that you are doing science?Don't worry, I don't expect an actual response since you didn't actually respond to me pointing out your lack of ability to distinguish between 2 dimensions and 3.....

Science, by it's very definition, is secular. What you are attempting to do is apologetics, not science. So again: why the appeal to science, because, as I pointed out (and as you have proven in your lengthy tenure here): you have no respect for what science is or what it can do, yet you try and label your batshittery as science at every turn. Buz, you're like the crazy cat lady from down the road. You are not worthy of respect. The only reason I request a response is to point out that you don't have one for something so simple as differentiating between 2d and 3d. I don't give two fucks what you think of my replies to you or whether or not you actually reply. I engage you for the lurkers in the event that they are dumb enough to be bamboozled by your snake oil.So again, I don't expect a reply. But I do expect you to duck and dodge and not address such simple matters as the difference between 2d and 3d. Oh, and I also expect a 90 something year old man to cry and piss and moan about fuck words like you've never heard them before.