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Nuggin
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Message 46 of 207 (634842)
09-24-2011 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Chuck77
09-24-2011 7:01 AM


It _could be_...
Just because something can be explained in a natural terms doesn't mean it can't have a SN connection.
This is not a rational, or frankly even adult, position.
What you are saying here is this:
Either
A) You throw the switch on the wall and it makes a connection between the electricity carrying wire and the wire that leads to the light bulb thus allowing the electricity to reach the light bulb and for light to be generated.
OR
B) You throw the switch on the wall and Gunboor the Magical Invisible Elf casts his illumination spell on the bulb.
It _COULD_ be B. It doesn't matter that we understand each and every aspect of A. It doesn't matter that A sufficiently and accurately describes what's happening. It doesn't matter that every conceivable test indicates that A is 100% correct.
It still _COULD_ be B.
Can you come up with ANY scenario at all that doesn't have an infinite list of "COULD BE" alternatives using the supernatural?
If it's not Gunboor the elf, maybe it's Trillboo the elf. Or Bizzrat the Goblin. Or Kleemark the Wizard. etc etc etc
You are arguing that make believe is a valid alternative explanation to everyday events because we can't rule out make believe as a cause since it's make believe.
Come on. Grow up.
Edited by Admin, : Typos: through => throw

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Nuggin
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Message 48 of 207 (634862)
09-24-2011 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by GDR
09-24-2011 11:46 AM


Re: It _could be_...
I think the question is who or what put the switch, the wiring, the bulb and the electricity there in the first place that would allow "A" to happen.
AbE I suppose even more to the point is the question of where did the idea and the inspiration for the process described in "A" come from.
You really think that Gribbooo the Elf King puts the light switches on walls?
Do I need to familiarize you with the concept of electricians?
I personally have installed a light switch. Did I require magical help to do so?
Is it possible for a human being to do anything? Walk? Eat? Shit? Without the aid of a tiny invisible demon or elf?
Is that what we're suppose to consider as a valid line of reasoning?
I ate a sandwich a couple hours ago. Later, I plan to get rid of what's left of it out the back end.
Do I need permission from Liglog the Toilet Troll in order to do that? How would I know if I got the permission or not? After all, Liglog the Toilet Troll is undetectable.
And _infinite_ number of imaginary creatures with an _infinite_ list of imaginary powers. All of these should be considered as valid considerations?
Seriously?

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Nuggin
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Message 53 of 207 (634923)
09-24-2011 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by GDR
09-24-2011 4:30 PM


Re: It _could be_...
Well I think the sarcastic response tells us more about you than serving to advance the discussion but I digress.
How was my response sarcastic in any way?
The claim was that unknown undetectable magical forces _could_ be behind any natural function we observe.
That claim automatically includes everything I mentioned.
You can't prove that Grimlox the Goblin is NOT responsible for the creation of all sandwiches because the criteria of "only reality is real" has been obliterated.
Once you toss out "reality is real" and substitute "all answers are equally valid" then there is no answer to anything.
The question is why does all of this exist at all.
Because it does. You don't need to attribute it to a wizard, Jewish or otherwise. Things exist. If they didn't exist, no one would be around to discuss the fact that they didn't exist.

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Nuggin
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Message 190 of 207 (637993)
10-19-2011 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Chuck77
10-15-2011 7:46 AM


LOL Straggler. An atheist telling us how prayer can be tested. I've been told over and over by you atheists huh? That's gold man, gold.
Sort of the same thing as a Creationist telling us how evidence works.
We deal in reality. You deal in fantasy.
We deal with testing. You deal with belief.
We can show you how to test your claims.
You can tell us how to make believe that your claims are true.
Those are two very different things.
We admit that it is impossible for us to adequately study the supernatural since it is entirely make believe. It doesn't adhere to any sort restrictions upon which a test can be run.
Make believe is funny that way.

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