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PaulK
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Message 29 of 37 (651503)
02-07-2012 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by amp1022
02-07-2012 11:51 AM


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But the question posed by the EvC debate is actually a fairly simple one. Dose the universe have a parent or not?
Common sense says no. The universe is inanimate and inanimate things don't have parents. That was easy.
If you're prepared to be loose with the concept of the idea or "parentage" cosmologist Lee Smolin's ideas come close to a "yes", though. But that isn't creationism either.
In fact creationism is really about how we got the variety of life we see on this planet. Creationism says that a relatively large number of disjoint groups were created, including complex modern life (various groups of birds, mammals etc.) . Current evolutionary theory says - that with maybe some early exceptions (bacteria of one sort or another) everything is descended from an original ancestor. So in fact evolution is more in tune with the idea that everything has a parent, than creationism is!
So, it seems, that common sense is on the side of evolution, not creation.
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Message 36 of 37 (651535)
02-08-2012 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by amp1022
02-07-2012 7:24 PM


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Alright, I am bored explaining the same thing over and over again but I will try one last time.
You can't be tired of explaining because you haven't even started to explain.
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Simplest possible terms, YES there is evidence that everything has parent but NO people don't need to see that evidence because it is an obvious truth
OK, you are repeating your assertion, but where is the explanation ? Why do you believe that ? Why should WE believe that ?
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No one needs it proved to them that a sledge hammer to the face will hurt, even a mentally challenged person would be afraid to take a hammer to the face because they simply assume it would hurt.
Are you claiming that this is instinctively known, rather than simply something learned early in life ? If so, how do you know this to be the case - and even if you are right here, how can you possibly extend it to something more abstract like "every living thing has a parent" ?
That would be explaining. So please START explaining.
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By the way, the universe is a complex system of millions or billions of galaxies...not an inanimate object which would be incapable of sustaining and maintaining itself.
Now you're just sounding crazy. The universe includes a lot of stars and galaxies - but that doesn't mean that it isn't an inanimate object any more than the fact that a rock is made up of lots of atoms and molecules means that it is not inanimate. If you want to go against common sense and claim that the universe is alive you're going to have to produce a lot more than that.

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