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crashfrog

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Message 288 of 303 (652418)
02-13-2012 5:09 PM

Reply to: Message 286 by Tangle
02-13-2012 5:02 PM

Re: Another interesting example

The vast majority of everyone else does not inhabit that world.

No, that's not accurate. The vast majority of "everyone else" inhabits China, where US copyrights are not enforced, and as a result you can purchase pirated movies on any streetcorner for pennies. It's estimated that the number of people pirating Hollywood movies in China is larger than the entire population of the United States. Piracy proceeds in China outearn Hollywood's legitimate profits by three to one.

So, in fact, you're absolutely wrong - we already live in a world where far, far more people see Hollywood movies via illegal, copyright-violating means than they do through legitimate distribution channels, yet Hollywood posts enormous profits every year.

That's what we've been saying this whole time, Tangle, why haven't you been paying attention?

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crashfrog

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Message 292 of 303 (652426)
02-13-2012 5:26 PM

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02-13-2012 5:20 PM

Re: Another interesting example

If however, the USA was the same as you claim China and I claim Betelgeuse is, Hollywood would still have no revenue.

Why? Most of Hollywood's profits come from the Asian markets. Hollywood could never again release a movie to US audiences and still come out ahead.

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crashfrog

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Message 294 of 303 (652438)
02-13-2012 5:59 PM

Reply to: Message 293 by Tangle
02-13-2012 5:37 PM

Re: Another interesting example

Are you saying that the Asians that pay Lethal weapon 4, do so in gratitude to the Hollywood capitalists?

What the fuck? No, of course I'm not saying that.

But I am saying that artists can support themselves in a world without effective copyright protection the same way they do in this world, which is without effective copyright protection: from the voluntary patronage of their audiences. Punishing audiences for getting content through "legitimate" channels does nothing to protect revenues or works, and only puts our own culture beyond reach.

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Message 300 of 303 (652577)
02-14-2012 5:18 PM

Reply to: Message 298 by Perdition
02-14-2012 4:18 PM

Re: Another interesting example

Ok, so you have a game idea that you can't realize because you're exactly the wrong person to realize it - no programming or games development experience, no notion of the scope, etc. If this game does get made, it'll be by somebody other than you doing all the work.

So I guess I'm puzzled. Where do you see society's interest in having laws that would allow you to come in after somebody else had done all the work, and then take a portion, perhaps even a majority, of the profits? Don't you think that kind of copyright-based extortion actually reduces the incentive for someone to invest the time and effort to create video games?