Hello everyone

Very well said.

Ok, I see and understand what you are saying.I spent all of May 2013 traveling around the Southwest with my camera. I looked at what you are talking about and a bunch of other places and things too. I walked close and touched the rocks and I stood back and photographed cliffs and canyon walls. I drove through Monument Valley, something I have wanted to do since I was a kid.The route I took through Monument Valley and to Mesa Verde (another life long goal) went by some of the most warped sedimentary layers I have ever seen.


I don't think I had Old Earth glasses on. I was more interested in light and shadow, color, and form, but when you are in these places you can’t help but be curious about when and how they formed and how long it took.Not once, while I was there or when I look at my photos and remember being there, have I experienced a thought or feeling that I was being dishonest with myself.Not once, have I seen any of it the way you describe it, or have my observations led me to the singularly odd assertions that you have made on the subject.My own observations lead me to many conclusions..one of which is, that the Earth is really old, so you can add photographer and entomologist to your hated category of evolutionist. I feel honored to be in their company.CheersEdited by Tanypteryx, : inserted photos instead of just links

Faith, I thought about you quite a bit while I was travelling. And just because I didn't write about all my observations and all my thoughts doesn't mean I didn't make them or think about them. I visited parts of the Grand Canyon and spent a couple days there photographing and waiting for thunderstorms to develop. I saw the walls on the opposite side of the canyon. In some places the layers were stacked neatly with level, horizontal boundaries.In many other places along the wall the layers were not stacked so neatly. They were slanted or warped or disappeared or got fatter.This is a part of the Grand Canyon called Marble Canyon and Vermillion Cliffs. These are the Vermillion Cliffs. Your argument is not that hard to understand, but it does not describe what I saw. There are lots of places where the layers are not all neat like you want them to be. No one but an idiot would look at the Grand Canyon and think that all those layers were deposited at the same time. You are wrong! That is only how they look in some places where erosion has cut through the layers and they were flat and horizontal. But there are just as many places where that just is NOT true.Have you ever visited the Grand Canyon? You do not seem to be describing reality, reality that anyone can go there and see. You are right.....in some places you do not see those features, but you can only see the edges of the layers that have been exposed by erosion. There is no way to tell when you are standing there what feature lay still hidden within the layers. In other sections you can clearly see that erosion happend to a layer before the next one way deposited. You are right, they don't fit into your "thought" experiment, because they show that your experiment is a fantasy.They show STRATA that was clearly disturbed before the next layers of STRATA were deposited.

You are right, I did not describe all my thoughts about your experiment and my observations. My observations show that your fantasies are wrong, so I am not going to describe every nuance of thought I had about someone who is so idiotic as to look at a few photographs and never actually visit a place in person and who has the inflated ego to tell hundreds of thousands of geologists and other scientists who actually visited the place, that they are all wrong. My My, aren't you sanctimonious. If there was ever anyone who would know that FEELING honest is far from BEING honest
it would be you.I should have known better than to try and engage you. True to form, you tell us that we don't understand your argument whenever we disagree with you.Your arguments are easy to understand, they are simple minded and they are wrong.This could go on and on, but it will not, because there is no point in engaging you any further.Cheers

In Faith's case she has been looking at them from a lot further away....in her living room, the capitol of Creationist Fantasyland.

I didn't evade the point. I just told you that your point is wrong. It is a fantasy you made up in your mind and if you were honest you would admit that. I don't what you are saying or asking here. It is laughable that anyone would look at any of the sedimentary layers anywhere in the Grand Canyon and think they were laid down in a short period of time, in one big flood.And no one but you thinks we are saying that the flat horizontal parts of the layers just sat there exposed for a billion or even a million years without erosion happening. That is not what happened or what we are saying happened. It is just your silly fantasy that we think that is what happened.You should just publish your geology textbook and be done with it.CheersEdited by Tanypteryx, : spelling