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JonF
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Message 318 of 380 (713059)
12-09-2013 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by Faith
12-09-2013 10:30 AM


Re: uniformitarianism
nd when you made that accusation you didn't mention chemists astronomers and physicists.
You should have. If the Earth is as young as you say they are all wrong too.

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JonF
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Message 336 of 380 (713108)
12-09-2013 5:55 PM
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12-09-2013 12:32 PM


Re: uniformitarianism
Physics and astronomy and chemistry all have evidence in their own fields that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old and life isn't much younger. You have the same quarrel with them as you have with geologists and biologists.

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JonF
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Message 361 of 380 (713180)
12-10-2013 1:59 PM


Articles on the reliability of eyewitnesses
Evidence-based justice: Corrupted memory:
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Now, the 68-year-old scientist's research is starting to bring about lasting changes in the legal system. In July last year, the New Jersey Supreme Court issued a ruling based largely on her findings that jurors should be alerted to the imperfect nature of memory and the fallibility of eyewitness testimony as standard procedure. Loftus is working with judges in other states to make such changes more widespread.
I'm Not Making This Up: Why I'm Skeptical of Eyewitnesses:
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One of the main characteristics of good skepticism about claims is awareness of how easily we fool ourselves. Memory is something that is so often wrong that we have to face up to the reality that stories and witness accounts are the worst kinds of evidence upon which to base your conclusion.
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Memory is not like a tape recorder -- not mine, not yours, not anyone's. This is well-established. Stories are unreliable. You need to have better evidence than eyewitness testimony to back up your claim.

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JonF
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Message 371 of 380 (713194)
12-10-2013 2:54 PM
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12-10-2013 2:07 PM


Re: Articles on the reliability of eyewitnesses
That reasoning happens to apply just as well to any kind of mental slippage
Yup.
such as to scientists who think they can discover the truth about the past when all they have is their own imagination and speculations, plus peer pressure from others who share their theories, and no way of correcting them from the past itself.
Thank goodness few if any scientists operate that way. You forgot to mention hard evidence, observations, and measurements. Plus the peer pressure to get at the truth.

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Message 372 of 380 (713195)
12-10-2013 2:55 PM
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12-10-2013 2:33 PM


Re: Articles on the reliability of eyewitnesses
One time events in the past have nothing whatever to corroborate whatever interpretation you decide to lay on them UNLESS you have witnesses from that past.
BS. Witnesses are unreliable. Period. Repeatable measurements and observations of the traces left by past events are reliable.

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