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Tangle
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Message 6 of 30 (745423)
12-22-2014 5:38 PM


I seriously doubt that sodium bicarb would have any real affect of solidified fat - plus the addition of vinegar, acetic acid, would neutralize it. Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) is the usual remedy - it really does create soap in the presence of fat, touch it and you make your own washing up liquid. It also gets hot and liquifies it. The only action I can imagine that bicarb and vinegar has is the expanding gas clearing a blockage that has previously been loosened by the hot water.

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Message 13 of 30 (745494)
12-23-2014 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
12-23-2014 11:59 AM


Faith writes:
And I'm relying on my memory again so may have to do more reading later.
No need to rely on memory or do more reading. Dump your bicarb on a quarter pound of lard and see what happens.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 16 of 30 (745580)
12-24-2014 1:23 PM
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12-24-2014 1:02 PM


Taz writes:
It isn't solidified.
It is in my sink. And every drain I've ever unblocked.
It is liquid body oil in an amalgam of soap waxes and deposited minerals.
You forgot tea leaves, coffee grains, hair, carrot peel and dirt.
Bicarb does saponify oils, just like any base will.
Maybe, but it'll be slow and ineffectual compared to caustic soda - which is, as you guessed, and I'd already pointed out, is what constitutes old fashioned drain cleaner.
You will notice that the method for unclogging drains with sodium bicarb is to use boiling hot water and sodium bicarb for 15 minutes, THEN add the vinegar. The heat will speed up the saponification reaction.
Which is pretty much exactly what I said.
The bubbling from the vinegar will help to break off the already loosened deposits in the pipe.
Maybe. But really the boilng water is doing all the heavy lifting.
But why piss about? Caustic soda is cheap and readily available, it does the job without all the hassle of boiling water - it produces its own heat - and is a really strong base. I thought it unpleasant to mention it earlier, but it's so good at breaking down fat that it's used in the industrial production of soap - the Nazis used it to for exactly that purpose but with human fat. Not baking soda.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 18 of 30 (745594)
12-24-2014 4:02 PM
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12-24-2014 2:08 PM


Taz writes:
At least baking soda removes the idiot factor, even if it is less effective.
I'm doubting it would actually have any real effect on a real life blockage. I would be interesting to test it irl.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 20 of 30 (745608)
12-24-2014 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NoNukes
12-24-2014 4:16 PM


NoNukes writes:
Mixing sulfuric acid with drano is a bloody stupid idea.
No - it's a bloody interesting idea. I'm removing my car battery as I type.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 24 of 30 (745627)
12-25-2014 4:40 AM
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12-24-2014 8:44 PM


NoNukes writes:
Perhaps my post was irresponsible. The biggest issue with playing around with sodium hydroxide is the chance of getting the stuff on your skin and eyes. Permanent damage can be done to the eyes in particular with even small contact with the stuff. Not stuff to play around with without proper safeguards.
Ah, bless you! I know all about how acids and alkalis react and exactly how dangerous caustic soda is. I've messed with them all - and worse - as a kid. I'd say more but it would probably result in a visit from the security services.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 29 of 30 (746099)
01-02-2015 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by ringo
01-02-2015 11:31 AM


Ringo writes:
My question is: How are you getting food and hair in the same drain?
Persistence, flexibility and ingenuity.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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