The Brand New Birther Thread

Actually he has done a lot.If Obama really is a Muslim then we can say for a fact that under a Muslim Presidency in the US the economy improved, unemployment was reduced, health care was expanded, civil liberty increased, religious freedoms expanded, and threats to the nation reduced.Sounds like a pretty good record.

This is getting off topic already, but I hope it's just a temporary digression and we can get back to the question of Obama's birth. But really, that's probably already been discussed enough anyway.Decided to post this relatively short video (7 minutes) because I'm being accused of the same things Bill Warner is discussing in it, and because my answer is the same: my focus is not on individual Muslims except as it comes up in context and I have to give a hypothetical answer -- but the answer is based on what I know about Islam, its doctrines and history. Individual Muslims can have any degree of understanding of their religion and any degree of commitment to particular doctrines, and even different ideas about what the doctrines mean -- which isn't going to stop other Muslims of a stricter interpretation from forcing them to accept their own interpretations if they differ, and do it by violence, which is why there are so many Muslim refugees out there.Bill Warner talks about Islam, not against Muslims. He's far more knowledgeable about all this than I am, having studied it all very closely for years. Muslims do what they do because of their understanding of Islam. It's Islam the ideology I'm always talking about, and so is Bill Warner. This has nothing to do with any personal attitude at all, it's totally the result of having learned facts about Islam, it's the result of knowledge. Which apparently many here lack, or feel compelled to deny. You could learn something from the following video, but more likely many here will just do what you always do, call the man the usual names and refuse to learn anything about Islam.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So why - other than the fact you like what he says - should we trust Bill Warner ? It is not as if you don't have a record for choosing highly prejudiced and unreliable sources.Don't you have any other sources we can check ? Preferably Muslim sources.

Ah well, delusion reigns on all those points. Trump supporters voted for him because the opposite is the truth.

Bill Warner is an expert. There are other videos of him, more lengthy though, in which he says a lot more, that we in the West really need to know. Try "Political Islam Explained." But you seem to be among those who are committed to not-knowing anything about it and letting the truth destroy our countries because of such willful ignorance.You won't get the truth from Muslim sources but you can find lots of them out there, since you obviously would rather believe what they say than what Bill Warner knows. You can of course ignore the fact that Islam teaches that they can lie to "infidels," and believe it all anyway.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I agree that delusion reigns but reality actually supports all of those positions. The economy is better than it was before Obama, unemployment is down from the levels before Obama, religious freedoms and civil rights have increased under Obama and terrorist threats to the US have also decreased.So to tie it in to the topic, the fact is that where Obama was born is irrelevant just as whether or not he is a Muslim is irrelevant and the reality is that he was born in the US and is not a Muslim just as the economy is better than it was before Obama, unemployment is down from the levels before Obama, religious freedoms and civil rights have increased under Obama, availability of health care expanded under Obama and terrorist threats to the US have also decreased.

I don't suppose it would occur to you that the economy can be manipulated politically, eh? And that the big banks that are capable of doing this are committed to globalism, which puts them behind Obama? Naa, that wouldn't occur to you.

Statements like this are why folks accuse you of being prejudiced and xenophobic. Why you feel that statements like this are more acceptable than just calling folks niggers is beyond me.

So your point is ... that sure, maybe the economy got better under Obama ... but that's only because Obama and his allies made it get better?The fiends! The cunning, cunning fiends!

Good grief. No member of ANY religion knows everything about it, and probably the majority know the minimum. I lament all the time how true this is of Christians too.I never anticipate how the simplest honest thing I say can be turned into a personal attack on me. I guess I just can't think the way you all do. I'm saying simple honest things. I get back the most amazing twisted misreadings. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There are people who understand this a lot better and could explain it to you but they aren't here. Unfortunately I just get the most superficial understanding out of what they say. Sorry about that. But there's lots of talk out there about the manipulation of interest rates to create an illusion favorable to Obama, expecting to see another manipulation to try to discredit Trump. We are in an era when there is the ability and the motivation to manipulate mass movements by such means. Obama did nothing for the economy. Businesses were driven away because they couldn't thrive under him. Unemployment has been huge under Obama, the man in the street can tell you that no matter what the manipulated statistics tell you. That's why the man in the street voted for Trump. But again, I admit to having little understand of economics. Instead of grasping that I know enough to say this much, of course, you'll take my admission as an excuse to dismiss it all. Oh well.

Too funny Faith.Even if that were true it does not alter the facts that the economy is better than it was before Obama, unemployment is down from the levels before Obama, religious freedoms and civil rights have increased under Obama, availability of health care expanded under Obama and terrorist threats to the US have also decreased.The facts are that where Obama was born is irrelevant when it comes to him becoming President just as whether or not he is a Muslim is irrelevant to him becoming a Muslim President and if in fact he was a Muslim the the facts are still that the economy is better than it was before Obama, unemployment is down from the levels before Obama, religious freedoms and civil rights have increased under Obama, availability of health care expanded under Obama and terrorist threats to the US have also decreased.Edited by jar, : stupid fingers; type what I mean not what I type

But that's never dissuaded you from holding forth with absolute iron-clad certainty on any other subject, and by god, it's not going to stop you doing so about this one. I'm not hearing a lot of talk about that. Perhaps your method of gauging what people are talking about is oversampling paranoid lunatics? U.S. corporations earn record high profits, pay record low taxes. Ooh, a conspiracy theory! Tell me more! The man in the street voted for Clinton, remember?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

So you can't give us any reason to think that Bill Warner knows what he is talking about, and Muslim sources don't confirm your claims.All we have is your usual assertion that your views are the "truth" and no real support for them. To that I say that you do not get to dictate what is and is not truth. We can see that you are prejudiced and irrational and frequently wrong. If you will not or cannot support your assertions - especially when it looks as if you are repeating assertions that have already been refuted in past discussion - then you cannot expect to be believed.

The law applies to everyone, not just those whose ideology you agree with.