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Faith
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Message 181 of 206 (781725)
04-06-2016 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by jar
04-06-2016 8:59 PM


Re: To try to help Faith.
May I recommend that you and Dr. A carefully read what Percy posted as Admin above. This thread is done.
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jar
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Message 182 of 206 (781727)
04-06-2016 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
04-06-2016 9:03 PM


To try to restart thread
I have read it and replied to it and also pointed out that I had asked additional questions.

Now if you wish to simply admit that your flood model cannot explain any of the issues any of us might present then YOUR participation can certainly once again end as usual.

But the questions will remain and hopefully someone will come along who is willing to learn. With that possibility in mind I will once again post the following.

Let's give this another try. In this I will begin by postulating Faith's Young Earth time line.

Begin with small baby steps.

Faith (or some other person who still believes one of the Biblical flood myths actually happened), do you think a flood like one of the flood tales in the Bible happened?

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 183 of 206 (781730)
04-07-2016 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
04-06-2016 9:03 PM


Re: To try to help Faith.
I have carefully read it and he does not seem to suggest that but he does suggest that I and Dr A clarify our objections.

However, I read your comments differently. In fact you seem to be suggesting that the truth is an unimportant detail, and thus everybody should believe your assertions.

If you disagree then you will have to explain why pointing out massive falsehoods should be considered "nit-picking"

Edited by PaulK, : Corrected initial sentence


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Message 184 of 206 (781734)
04-07-2016 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
04-06-2016 7:58 PM


Re: Events seen round the world --- change leaves evidence
Faith writes:

Your tiresome lecture about your own point of view is not what is needed here. "You're wrong because science says so" is ridiculous since that's what I'm answering.

This is a science thread, where a viewpoint's merits are measured according to scientifically gathered and evaluated evidence. Participants in science threads must be willing to have their views subjected to scientific scrutiny.


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Message 185 of 206 (781735)
04-07-2016 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
04-06-2016 9:03 PM


Re: To try to help Faith.
Faith writes:

May I recommend that you and Dr. A carefully read what Percy posted as Admin above. This thread is done.

You should more carefully read my Message 172 yourself. I said to Jar, 'If you have no "next question" then this thread should enter summation mode.' He then provided a "next question":

Jar in Message 180 writes:

Faith, do you think a flood like one of the flood tales in the Bible happened?

I told Jar earlier that this question would just go over very familiar ground - you've outlined your views many times. I will tell him again.


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jar
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Message 186 of 206 (781737)
04-07-2016 8:47 AM
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04-07-2016 8:37 AM


Re: To try to help Faith.
Admin addressed to Faith writes:

Jar in Message 180 writes:

Faith, do you think a flood like one of the flood tales in the Bible happened?

I told Jar earlier that this question would just go over very familiar ground - you've outlined your views many times. I will tell him again.

Unless you already know all the followup steps I'm not sure how you can be convinced that it will go over very familiar ground.

I hope that you will let me try to work through this since simply providing all of the information in on large package (regardless of who provides the information) has always resulted in Faith simply dismissing everything.

Perhaps by allowing and investigating areas where there might be agreement some progress might be made, if not with Faith then perhaps with someone else who is reading but not participating actively.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 187 of 206 (781738)
04-07-2016 8:47 AM
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04-06-2016 9:55 PM


Re: To try to restart thread
jar writes:

Faith (or some other person who still believes one of the Biblical flood myths actually happened), do you think a flood like one of the flood tales in the Bible happened?

Obviously Faith thinks "a flood like one of the flood tales in the Bible happened." This thread should continue the process you described in Message 1:

jar in Message 1 writes:

To attempt to keep it somewhat organized one item will be considered at a time and once a satisfactory model...has been presented we can then move to the next example that needs to be explained.

You first asked, "How did the flood sort things so that there is a layer where there are no chordates while layers above do have chordates?" Faith has responded that she has no answer to that question, so it's time to move on to the next question. When I promoted this thread I assumed you had a progression of questions in mind, maybe I should have asked about them up front. If there's no "next question" then perhaps this thread should be put into summation mode.


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Message 188 of 206 (781739)
04-07-2016 8:54 AM
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04-07-2016 8:47 AM


Re: To try to restart thread
Did you read Message 152 and Message 186?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 189 of 206 (781745)
04-07-2016 10:25 AM
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04-07-2016 8:54 AM


Re: To try to restart thread
Yes, I recall Message 152 now, it's been ignored. Rephrasing a little:

How does a world-wide flood deposit land layers with land life above sea layers with sea life?

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edge
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Message 190 of 206 (781747)
04-07-2016 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
04-06-2016 6:42 PM


Re: Moderator Clarifications
Just to clarify, I don't reject the fact that these things are occurring, I reject the claim that they in any way represent how the Geologic column was built.

Well then it's kind of weird that the deposits we see forming in the present look exactly like those of the geological record.

I will admit that the continental crust of the Archean exposed in shield areas looks very different from what we see elsewhere, but that really was a looooong time ago. In fact, that's another thing the YEC simply cannot explain.


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Message 191 of 206 (781748)
04-07-2016 10:38 AM
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04-07-2016 10:25 AM


Re: To try to restart thread
That's a future question but not the question in message 152. This question is even more basic.

How does a flood story explain the fact the there are layers where only sea life is found while higher layers show both land and sea life?

How does a world-wide flood sort out just sea life in one layer but show sea and land based life in a higher layer?

How can one flood sort just sea life into one layer but also sort sea and land life into another layer and then layer them in that order; just sea life in one and then sea and land life in the higher layer?

BUT, after I posted that I realized it is simply too complex and so will be ignored as it was. That was why I decided to try to change the process to work from those areas where agreement might be possible.


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Message 192 of 206 (781749)
04-07-2016 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
04-06-2016 4:19 PM


Re: what must be seen
The entire stack of strata wherever they are found is evidence for the global Flood, ...

It is also evidence for the modern understanding of geology.

... and their fossil contents clinch it as the killer of all living things it aimed to be.

It is also evidence for old ages.

Please give us something that is diagnostic of young ages and a global flood and nothing else.

Making assertions is not evidence.


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Message 193 of 206 (781762)
04-07-2016 12:32 PM


Oh well, this thread got even worse today. Mere assertions of establishment science are treated as evidence, repeated statements are accepted though they had already been answered many times. I'm treating this thread as closed, doesn't much matter what anybody else does with it since it's all just one loud chorus of aren't we wonderful and right.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 194 of 206 (781763)
04-07-2016 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Faith
04-07-2016 12:32 PM


Faith writes:

Oh well, this thread got even worse today. Mere assertions of establishment science are treated as evidence, repeated statements are accepted though they had already been answered many times. I'm treating this thread as closed, doesn't much matter what anybody else does with it since it's all just one loud chorus of aren't we wonderful and right.

OK I respect your decision.
jar writes:

I hope that you will let me try to work through this since simply providing all of the information in on large package (regardless of who provides the information) has always resulted in Faith simply dismissing everything.

Perhaps by allowing and investigating areas where there might be agreement some progress might be made, if not with Faith then perhaps with someone else who is reading but not participating actively.

OK, I'll leave it open unless any Science admins have a problem with it. If so, feel free to override me.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


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Message 195 of 206 (781764)
04-07-2016 1:07 PM
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04-07-2016 1:00 PM


Phat writes:

Faith writes:

Oh well, this thread got even worse today. Mere assertions of establishment science are treated as evidence, repeated statements are accepted though they had already been answered many times. I'm treating this thread as closed, doesn't much matter what anybody else does with it since it's all just one loud chorus of aren't we wonderful and right.

OK I respect your decision.

Respecting her decision to stop posting is fine but giving the impression that you accept her blatant misrepresentations certainly gives the wrong impression.

For Faith to claim that she has answered many times is meaningless unless it is specifically pointed out that she did admit she did not have a model to explain the question in the OP and has not even tried to answer the second question or participate in the slow step by step attempt based on an initial acceptance of a young earth age (which was the position all the scientists had until they actually examined the evidence).


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