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Author Topic:   Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.
Tanypteryx
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Message 2003 of 2887 (831445)
04-17-2018 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2002 by Faith
04-17-2018 8:20 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:
it's clear that fossils are found in a predictable order from layer to layer,
You have used this phrase several times recently.
What do you mean by predictable? Who or what is predicting this order?
What features of fossils are ordered using your predictable ordering?
Faith writes:
although there isn't any obvious characteristic like size that links them, or complexity or whatever you think is implied.
Ok, what are you talking about being predictably ordered?
By the way, I recently read a really informative book about Trilobites, but you wouldn't enjoy it.
Enjoy

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 2020 of 2887 (831462)
04-18-2018 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2006 by Faith
04-17-2018 9:38 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:
All I meant about predictable order is that the same fossils are found in the same layer everywhere.
OK, thanks.
When you say, "the same layer everywhere," do you mean something like layers from the Upper Pennsylvanian Period or even narrower, the Gzelian Stage, 304-300 million years ago wherever they occur in the world? Or maybe the "Bright Angel Shale?"
When you say, "the same fossils," do you mean the same species as biologists and paleontologists define them or your own much broader definition like "all fish are the same species, all Trilobites are the same species, all birds are the same species, etc.?" Or could you mean "the same groupings of fossils are found in the same layer everywhere?" Like, we always find Wombats, Starfish and yellow warblers in that layer?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 2163 of 2887 (831713)
04-23-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2158 by Percy
04-23-2018 12:23 PM


Percy writes:
Faith in Message 2145 writes:
Geology has it all wrong about the geological column, sorry. I know that's hard to believe but it's true. Fortunately it doesn't really have a lot to do with your work as a geologist. There is a stack of strata laid down all over the planet that only the Flood could have done; it's not separate local stacks. It proves the Flood in SO many ways. Some day even you will know that, but meanwhile it's pointless to go on arguing about it.
But all you ever do is reassert your views, never presenting any evidence supporting them. Floods do not behave the way you describe - if they did then you could point to examples. The sedimentary layers of all the stratigraphic columns around the world reflect the same sedimentary processes we observe in the world today, but you can't even accept that sedimentation is still adding to these stratigraphic columns.
It is interesting that Faith has never explained what mechanism of the Fantasy Flood deposited her strata only on continents and none in the ocean basins, so not all over the planet.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2167 of 2887 (831721)
04-23-2018 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2164 by Faith
04-23-2018 1:20 PM


Faith writes:
Fountains of the deep churning it all up probably interfered.
Right, they spat the sediments up on the continents.
Faith writes:
What insanity explains the worldwide extent of the geological column on the Old Earth model?
Insanity? So you still have nothing but insults. The stratiographic columns around the world are clearly the results of billions of years of erosion, sedimentation, volcanism and tectonics.
Faith writes:
You must realize how absurd it is to explain it on a piecemeal local basis.
I guess you don't think that sedimentary deposition occurring beyond the mouths of major rivers around the world as local. Or erosion occurring in mountains around the world as local.
Scientific explanations of these processes include all the little details that your fantasy flood cannot. Insanity would be spending more than a decade and a half arguing for processes that even a child can see are not physically possible.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2170 of 2887 (831727)
04-23-2018 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2168 by Faith
04-23-2018 2:24 PM


Faith writes:
I'm just answering absurdities now, as I said, I have no reason to try to defend my position beyond that at this point, did that many times in the past.
You're just answering in absurdities now as always.
It's interesting to note that it's just empty assertions with no factual content or evidence to support your beliefs.
If you actually had a shred of evidence it would be surprising that you cannot even convince beginning geology students who would go on and develop your fantasies into coherent hypotheses that would over-turn contemporary geology.
That is the dream of every science student, to make your mark by overthrowing parts of an existing scientific theory. It's sad you can't convince anyone of anything, but that you are delusional. Your delusions will never impact science and when you're gone they will not even be remembered.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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