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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The balloon analogy can certainly be understood by a 5th grader. I am here to try to understand but until some that know the subject well enough to explain it where a 5 grader can understand it there is no need in me wasting my time asking questions that nobody answers. What questions have you asked me that I haven't answered?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
1 acre = 43,560 square feet. I have over 15 acres of storage in the ark.15 acres = 653,400 square feet. Deck area of the ark = 300 cubits x 50 cubits x 3 decks = 45,000 square cubits. 653,400 square feet / 45,000 square cubits --> 14.52 square feet = 1 square cubit - i.e. 1 cubit = 3.81 feet Checking my math:300 cubits long x 3.81 feet per cubit = 1143 feet long (compare aircraft carrier USS Enterprise CVN-65 = 1123 feet long) 50 cubits wide x 3.81 feet per cubit = 190.5 feet wide 1143 feet x 190.5 feet = 217741.5 square feet per deck x 3 decks = 653224.5 square feet total deck space 653224.5 square feet / 43560 square feet per acre = 14.99 acres So... are you looking at a fourteen-foot-tall Noah?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
No, you made up something. The Bible says that the ark had three stories (Genesis 6:16), i.e. no "bottom" or "main deck". You missed something somewhere. And "rooms" are not 2' high. It's true that you can stack cages but then you should be talking about cubic feet, not square feet. You could have thousands of "acres" if you count the cages small enough for an ant - but the figure would be meaningless. Of course the biggest problem is that a wooden boat built to even the smallest cubit would probably break up. Feel free to build one and prove me wrong.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You can't count the roof as storage space. Anything up there would get wet.
Finish it above. Roof. ICANT writes:
There's no reason why the bottom can't be the bottom deck. The ark had to have a bottom or it would not float. When somebody says three stories they don't mean five.
ICANT writes:
The difference is between what it doesn't say and what it does say. If you claim to believe the Bible, you shouldn't be embellishing.
But what difference would it make if I had 5 or 3? ICANT writes:
Sorry, you don't get to use fantasy wood, only real wood - relatively short lengths. And you don't get to pass the buck either. Get the creationists to fund it.
You furnish the 300' Cyprus trees and I will be glad to build one. ICANT writes:
That's what I'm saying. When you say a house is two thousand square feet, you're not counting the area of every shelf. Regardless of the number of decks or cages you are dealing with cubic feet as you only have three million six hundred thousand cubic ft. to work with.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Duh, didn't you count it as a separate level?
Duh, isn't that what I called it? ICANT writes:
It says it was three stories. Where does it say it is limited to 3 stories? It rained for forty days, not forty-two. There were ten commandments, not twelve. Jesus had twelve disciples, not fourteen. He fed five thousand people, not seven thousand, with five loaves and two fishes, not seven loaves and four fishes. Nobody's uimposing a "limit' on any of those numbers but those are the numbers. You can't just change them arbitrarily.
ICANT writes:
I'm not an expert on boatbuilding but I'd recommend putting it above the water line. other than that. it doesn't make much difference where you put it.
Which deck was the door set on? ICANT writes:
Non sequitur.
The lower, second and third stories had to be below the deck the door was on. ICANT writes:
In Message 866 you said:
I am just telling you what the Bible says no embellishment at all.quote:Separating the bottom and the main deck from the three stories is an embellishment. ICANT writes:
That's a fantasy.
Trees back in Noah's days were even taller. ICANT writes:
I'm not requesting. I'm challenging you or any other creationist to build the thing if you think it can be built. You were the one requesting it be built.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You don't see the irony in defining someting that is inherently indefinite? We define it as infinite or unending.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
That's exactly what it means. We define our words for our purposes. Is your God so puny that He needs to use our definitions? Being indefinite to poor little man does not mean something is indefinite.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You said, "We define it as infinite or unending." Doesn't "we" include you? I did not define anything, I gave the dictionary definition. And the dictionary defines eternity as infinite or unending time. I thought you said that time doesn't exist. But clearly you don't see the irony. I was making a joke about trying to define something that is, "by definition", indefinite.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
What does that have to do with what I said? Actually God used the Hebrew words that said I exist that I exist.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I asked what God has to do with our definitions of words. Didn't you ask about God's use of words?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Existence is not a thing; it's a property of things. Like red is not a thing. You can't have a big bag of red. Red might be a property of what's in the bag but red itself is not a thing. And you can not have a bag of existence. What you have in the bag may or may not have the property of existence - it may or may not exist - but you can't say it "is" existence.
There is existence. There are events that take place in that existence. ICANT writes:
Since you have existence confused with things that exist, I don't expect you to make any sense.
Since you have time confused with existence I don't expect you to understand what I have said. ICANT writes:
Well, that's how we measure anything. We measure distance with distance, comparing an unknown distance - e.g. the length of a two-by-four - with a known distance - e.g. the length of a yardstick. We measure an unknown time with a known time - e.g. the period of a pendulum's swing. You want to take time and measure time with it.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
I'm only speaking for those of "us" who do. If you want to make up your own definitions, "we" can't stop you, but don' t expect to be taken seriously either. Speak for yourself when you say 'we' define....not everyone accepts your religious definition attempts.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The creationists say it is, so you can argue with them. Whatever some Hebrews may have thought to try and envision what God said about the universe is of no great import.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
So far, you haven't demonstrated that you know anything. Pick a topic and stick to it. In the origin issues debate we must ask...what the heck DO they know!?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
yes, creationists do grasp at straws. Do you have anything to contribute except hot air? Pick a subject and discuss it. They grasp at whatever straws they can to try and fight godless science.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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